Quoted from Vengeance

Yea I'm about to get bent over on taxes on a Truck I'm buying, some nice double dipping going on there, pay taxes when bought from a dealership and then you get to pay taxes again on the same item when sold privately, AWESOME!

Be careful.  I went through that when I bought a car from a friend of mine.. he gave me a hell of a deal, and the government didn't feel I paid enough taxes on the car so they billed me for the remainder using their red book value.  Bitches.  Ended up paying something like $400 in taxes on a car I only paid $1k for.

Quoted from machine.slave

Be careful.  I went through that when I bought a car from a friend of mine.. he gave me a hell of a deal, and the government didn't feel I paid enough taxes on the car so they billed me for the remainder using their red book value.  Bitches.  Ended up paying something like $400 in taxes on a car I only paid $1k for.

Yea I'm fully aware of that, thankfully the truck is from 1988 so even the red book value will be nice and low.  

Quoted from Vengeance

Ok that's a bold statement, stealing, how do they figure?

Once they game is sold it's no longer their property, it's the owners property and he can choose to light it on fire just as much as he can choose to sell it when he is tired of it.  

I get the game industry is losing money to the used game market, but it's not like their frikin starving or something

Basically they expect to get paid anytime someone new experiences their game I guess ... don't shot me I'm just the messanger ... I think the interview is online somewhere.

So how do they account for places like Blockbuster or Gamefly renting out games? Several people will "experience" their product if it gets rented out and the only return they get is from the initial sale of the game, the rest of the revenue from that game goes to the rental company.

Quoted from necro_nemesis

So how do they account for places like Blockbuster or Gamefly renting out games? Several people will "experience" their product if it gets rented out and the only return they get is from the initial sale of the game, the rest of the revenue from that game goes to the rental company.

They don't like it either. They want everyone to pay $69+tax to play their stupid game.

Quoted from jonny_eh

They don't like it either. They want everyone to pay $69+tax to play their stupid game.

Yup that's pretty much it

It contradicts most of the business models out there (books/dvd/cars/anything for the most part ...) but that is the route they want to go and from what i understand (and since I dont game online it is all second hand) they use the pass for online sort of like a license to ensure payment.

Quoted from jonny_eh

They don't like it either. They want everyone to pay $69+tax to play their stupid game.

Yea the prices on their games is the #1 reason I never buy new anymore, I can't justify the cost.  

I've got it ingrained in me for some reason never to sell my games, my Dad always used to give me mess when I was a kid whenever I wanted to sell my games after I was done with them and that has stuck with me through adult hood so I hoard all of my console games regardless of if I plan to play them again or not.  

But the new $69.99 price tag on most new games is just to much, I can only justify it for certain titles.  The only two upcoming titles I see myself paying full retail for are Twisted Metal and Mortal Kombat.  

If they don,t want anyone reselling or renting their games, they should just create a new console that runs downloadable games that are either stored in the console or has the console burn a disc that can only be played on that individual console.

...I would give them 6 months.

Quoted from Sparky

If they don,t want anyone reselling or renting their games, they should just create a new console that runs downloadable games that are either stored in the console or has the console burn a disc that can only be played on that individual console.

...I would give them 6 months.

Or they could make their games more fun

Quoted from necro_nemesis

So how do they account for places like Blockbuster or Gamefly renting out games? Several people will "experience" their product if it gets rented out and the only return they get is from the initial sale of the game, the rest of the revenue from that game goes to the rental company.

Nintendo tried to squash renting back in the 80's.. thankfully, it didn't have wings in court.

@Sparky, that's their plan for the next-gen console.  Media-less gaming.  I'm all for it, but I ain't shelling out $70 for a download.

Hell.. look at their prices on "greatest hits" games.  $30 to download Dead Space??  No thanks... I'll go buy it for $10 at Blockbuster.  

I think they are shooting themselves in the foot and it makes them look greedy. Garth Brooks and some other artists tried to do this also on used cds and failed.  
'1993–94: In Pieces
In 1993, Garth Brooks, who had criticized music stores which sold used CDs since it led to a loss in royalty payments, persuaded Capitol Records not to ship his August 1993 album In Pieces to stores which engaged in this practice. This led to several anti-trust lawsuits against the record label and ended with Capitol shipping the CDs to the stores after all.[28]
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I already have an issue with Xbox live.  I come from the PC market and to pay to play a game online after you already bought the game is a hard pill to take.  This user fee to play online with a used game is stupid since the developers already got paid.  This is BS and just a cash grab.  If they start to do this I might go back to PC gaming

Quoted from machine.slave

Hell.. look at their prices on "greatest hits" games.  $30 to download Dead Space??  No thanks... I'll go buy it for $10 at Blockbuster.  

This is where my economics sensitivity starts to kick in with DL'ing a game. If they make it cheap enough I will save the gas for a trip to Blockbuster, but when the math simply doesn't work than there is no way I would go the DL option. Downloading is likely the only viable method to generate any return on their intellectual property once the release version and greatest hits, gold, platinum or whatever name they give it discounted version has run it's course. Make the thing cheap and at least you get a little something rather than very few buying.

A lot of the PC games now require you to set up an online account to play even if they aren't online games. I can see this being the way they will limit the games to run on the initial installation only.