I hope I am not the only one pissed off about the Quebec budget. Jesus... Quebec spending is 16 BILLION DOLLARS MORE THAN IN ONTARIO!!!  WTF!!!! Can someone explain this to me???

And before any of you blame the Liberals, keep in mind that a lot of the deficit was there when the PQ was in power.

Hmm... I should start looking for land near the border...

I move to Gatineau in less than 2 months

Quoted from Sparky

I hope I am not the only one pissed off about the Quebec budget. Jesus... Quebec spending is 16 BILLION DOLLARS MORE THAN IN ONTARIO!!!  WTF!!!! Can someone explain this to me???

And before any of you blame the Liberals, keep in mind that a lot of the deficit was there when the PQ was in power.

Hmm... I should start looking for land near the border...

This would make for a nice long conversation over a couple of beer........but it did not happen overnight and it will be tough to get out of it.  Quebecers will have to make tough decisions if they want to get out of it.  It's no one's fault but who will be the man or woman to fix it?

I am afraid it is not that much better in Ontario anymore.

We went from a Have to a Have-Not province, under 'careful' guidance from Liberal Mr.McGuinty.
Breaking promises since the first day he is into office. Spending like there is no tomorrow.

Health tax was introduced a few years ago. Long waits in hospitals.
Over 1 B lost with the eHealth scandal.
Harmonized Sales tax coming-up, where we will pay the provincial sales tax
on a lot of items which used to be exempt, starting in July...
Plus lots of waste at federal and municipal levels too.

Don't get me wrong, we live in a great place, and the tax system is needed to support
all kinds of useful programs including our health system and our safety net.

However, I am disgusted with the no accomptability and the waste at all levels...

Cheers,
- Sylvain.

Not really a great place for political discussion, McGuinty's Liberals didn't do the damage by themselves, Harris f*ck'ed Ontario up pretty good on his own - we would have been better of with a Liberal continuity I think (but who knows).  Our town is still reeling form Amalgamation.  And the recession pretty much made any chance of recovery zero to none.  HST is a huge mistake, it will plunge us further into a recession.  The alternative, though, is a dictatorship, so take your pick of evils.  We still live a lot better than Europeans and Americans.

This is what we get for having an entity run by lawyers. Take any company and have it run by lawyers, and it is guaranteed to go bankrupt within months. And THIS comes from one of my buddies... who is a lawyer.

BUT... we are just going to take it right in the keester and just lightly complain about it just like every other Quebecker. we truly are all bark and no bite when it comes to dealing with the government. All we will do is vote PQ at the next election and the same crap will happen with them as well.

Then people wonder why the voting percentage is almost under 50%.

I should do like Peter Griffin and declare my own country.

Welcome to the Republic of Sparkistan.  

Quoted from sylvain

We went from a Have to a Have-Not province, under 'careful' guidance from Liberal Mr.McGuinty.
Breaking promises since the first day he is into office.

100% agree with you!!! I hope we, as voters, remember all the broken promises and the damn HST come election time.

Duane

Quoted from Sparky

I hope I am not the only one pissed off about the Quebec budget. Jesus... Quebec spending is 16 BILLION DOLLARS MORE THAN IN ONTARIO!!!  WTF!!!! Can someone explain this to me???

And before any of you blame the Liberals, keep in mind that a lot of the deficit was there when the PQ was in power.

Hmm... I should start looking for land near the border...

Well Liberals can make all the decision they want, they have no real opposition! PQ and ADQ aren't near to take the lead (anyway they wouldn't change anything, used to be member of PQ and active in the party but I quited when I see they had no real vision).

And peoples can complain all they want, but when more than half the population didn't vote and nobody really protest in the street, government can do all they want the way they want!

I'm moving to QC just for the health care benefits!    ... that is, I would.. if it weren't for all the damn French people  

(Donning my flame retardant suit)

CANADIAN POLITICS SUCKS!



Scandals, spending and crap.

The liberals had all the plans to make things "work right" and when they got in, they realized that the conservatives had effed them hard with their own budget shortfalls adding up.  Amalgamation closed lots of hospitals, thus longer waits.  McGuinty tried to "fix" things, but his idea of fixing isn't all that great, and its gotten worse.  I agree he got the short end of the stick when he got the job, but he's had it for a while and things aren't getting "better"

I don't know much about how the quebec political machine works, but here in Ontario it is broken.  Toronto wants its fair share, being ontarios "economic engine" and in some cases that is right.  but outlying communites are getting the shaft as well, and don't even get me started about Northern Ontario.  THey get so little say in how things go at queen's park, that forming a seperate province is always being proposed... and i can't disagree with them.  Northerners are pissed at the south, small towns in the south are pissed at Toronto, and Toronto feels unloved and underfunded and wants to form it's own city-province as well!!!!

Now i am pretty left leaning socially, but about center when it comes to my finances.  and there are other parties that i think serve my thoughts better than liberals or conservatives, but they WILL NEVER WIN.  EVER.

Alternative parties are the rallying point for young and idealistic people. but younger people in general turn out very poorly at the polls.  End result being that "Gray Power" tends to vote in the politicians that win.I can probably count on one hand the friends of mine who regularly vote in electrions. and i have a lot of friends. just most of them  say "politicians are all the same... meh" and stay home on voting day.

Things will change, but it takes a long long long time, which i guess is a "safety" built into the political machine. unfortunately, that long gestation time of political change means that debts tend to pile up, and nobody gets enough time to make the changes they think will help us out of our rut.

(Removing flame retardant helmet)

Is it safe now?

Well gentlemen, you make some strong points but I don't see anyone bringing solutions forward.  Beside, I propose to start a national party, we could be the PIN party, I am sure we could fix many problems after all it is hard to do worst. (in my humble opinion)

Keep on playing brothers

We get the government we deserve. I have a friend running for public office (city councillor here in Ottawa) and he's having a hell of a time. He's going door to door and hearing nothing but non-sense from voters. According to him, voters care more about what church he goes to than what his platform is. (He doesn't go to church, he's an atheist) If he doesn't win, I highly doubt he'll put himself through this again. The political process therefore weeds out any smart and talented people since there are much easier and lucrative ways for them to spend their time. All that's left are the egotists and liars.

As for why Quebec spending is greater than Ontario? More social services, obviously. Do you guys enjoy your free day care (that's just one example)? And the federal Liberals want this for the whole country?