well i am sick of it.  it happened again.  just glad i didn't get hurt like last time.  

   i bought machines off maaca and they turn out to be real duds compaired to description and promisses.  

    whats wrong with some members?   can't describe things at all.  they hide minor flaws and just ignore the major ones.   why can't people just tell the truth?

   when i sell a machine i tell you the flaws right away.  ask others that have bought from me.  when you come to my shop i tell you the bad features of the games.  that includes if they are just boring no fun games (twilight zone bought my dr. who and i warned him).

   i was in contact with the seller and they promissed to make it better.  said they would send my parts that need to be replaced, i got nothing.  also stated that i would receive a refund.  said i would have it by the end of october.....   well nothing.

   i know other members leave due to how they are treated on the site and words thrown back and forth.  i am not mentioning names (yet).  i didn't do that to jim (he outed himself) when i ended up with that butcher job cftbl.  he resold it for 1/2 of what i was paying and even that buyer didn't keep it cause it wasn't worth it (due to the cost of the repairs).
  
   this time its more money.  i am looking into small claims against the seller.  i am more then sick and tired of their games.  machines are not anywhere near described and not even working.  they buy cheap imports and resell for more.  don't tell you any of the bad stuff at all.  just glad i keep all emails, photos and such.

  i have now purchased almost 200 machines in the past 5yrs.   i have only been really screwed twice before.  so all in all not that bad.  but this is the third and ever time its been with a member of maaca.  

   will post more later.  those of you who know more about this, please do not post any names or titles of machines.   i would like to settle this without outting the bugger.   i just hope he has learned also to tell the truth (doubt it).

  gre-gory

sorry about your luck.the last few games that i bought all f$%^ed up.cp,sttng,ek,who dunnit(seller did tell me)golden eye,street fighter.all needed repair.this makes a person bitter.then sellers(good and bad) get low balled.i hope you feel better after the bad luck that i've had.go get a trick,i mean treat. cheers

pre-arrangements for parts money aside, maybe the seller didn't know any better?  

I'm guilty of this myself somewhat, as I'm still learning what's worth mentioning and what is deemed as typical stuff for a 20 year old machine.  

On the bright side, I've often had good luck. The TAF I got from Paul was in better condition than he described. The universe balances out.

yes.  i too have had great luck with members.

  just that this member knew he was in the wrong.  thats why they offered to give me back some of my payment.   was to be paid by end of month in my hand.  

  nothing here.   i have email and pm him.  no reply.  even though he has posted on the site since.....
    
   it big bucks to me.   i think to him as well.  he used my cash to buy something alot better..   well glad he has a great game...   i am stuck with a (fill in blank)!

  gre-gory

I refused to sell one of my pin because  I didn't feeling right about it, I will never be "successful" in this hobby, I'm trusting people too much and tell too much about my machines

Hello Gory,

I know I'm not a senior into Pinball purchasing / selling, but I traveled so many times to see pinball that I was interested in, that were 8/10 ( average )from the seller point of view, to see that good shape pinball machine for someone is not the same for another person.

8/10 for a seller and 8/10 for me can be really different... only as an exemple...!

I've been into some other hobby and can say that pinball is way different then any other thing. Everything is not into the pinball title itself, but into the look, the condition of the playfield,electronics, cabinet and a lot more, so how come in 2008, there's still some people that will purchase pinball machine without looking at the in person before?

I don't want to tell you what to do or to say that you're wright or wrong, but after going through 200 transaction, you may know this? We can't purchase a pinball machine without looking at it first... In my honest opinion, if I purchase a pinball without seeing it, I assume that it may not be as the seller describes it or I deal the price in consequence that I can't look at it.

Hey Gory, I don't want to start a fight here, this happened and I think no one here can help except you and the buyer. I just want to prevent some other people from having the same ''issue'' again, cause I think we've already had the same conversation with someone who purchased from Jim without seeing the machine...!

My 2 cents only...!

Eric

Hmm... nothing good will come of this Gory. I have heard the story from both sides now. Sad that this happened.

I tell you what Gory... if it can help, and also to the fact that you have helped me out many times in the past (and still are! ), how about I offer this gesture. If the other party offers a compensation, and you accept it, I will do a playfield or cabinet for you.

I hate to see bad blood be posted... you are both nice guys and I believe it is merely a case of lack of experience and slight missunderstanding. Hopefully my gesture can help patch things up a bit and each go their own way after.

PM me and we can discuss it.

Ian

Quoted from Hyann

I refused to sell one of my pin because  I didn't feeling right about it, I will never be "successful" in this hobby, I'm trusting people too much and tell too much about my machines

Yeah, if that was your Meteor project I practically BEGGED for it and you took a million pics and told me every little flaw and then you wouldn't sell it because you were worried.  You ARE too honest!    

PS Let me know if you ever want to move it, because I'd still be interested regardless of how much you don't want me to buy it. ha ha  

Gory, sorry to hear it dude.  For those who haven't had the pleasure of meeting Greg, he's a good guy and certainly doesn't deserve any crap for his continued efforts to grow pinball in Peterborough.  Heck, this guy lets homeless people into his shop to play!    

While I agree that Gory doesn't deserve this, I believe the same goes to the seller. No one likes to sell a game and then find out it has issues when you didn't know about them. Hell, that has even happened to me. You feel like crap then.

Best thing is to just work it out...

Quoted from Rider

So how come in 2008, there's still some people that will purchase pinball machine without looking at the in person before?

I don't want to tell you what to do or to say that you're wright or wrong, but after going through 200 transaction, you may know this? We can't purchase a pinball machine without looking at it first...

Often buying "sight unseen" is the only way you're going to be able to do the deal.  Me personally, I know enough (even with my tender experience)  about how pins of a certain age come, that I very often make deals "sight unseen" and while I am very seldom surprised at how good a deal is, I am never disappointed because I always expect the worst.  

Knowing Gory though, I would expect there is more to it than this. He's bought some pretty rough machines in the past, so I would expect that its more like he suspects the seller misrepresented the pinball and that's a whole different kettle of wax, especially from a MAACA member.  That being said, not all MAACA members are experienced pin restorers.

I bought a HIgh Speed (not that long ago) that a number of guys were offering the seller more than I, and the seller tried to put the squeeze on me, but eventually agreed that my bid was accepted and first.  What he described and what I picked up were two completely different beasts.  But he loved this ratty excuse for a pin, and that's the way he saw it (I think).  Still, if I make a deal, sight unseen, then I may grumble about the net result, but I will still take it without haggling,out of honour, because, I was the one who made the decision to make an offer withouth seeing it first.

P.S. Being the consumate perfectionist I am, I have never received a pin, except for a small handful, that I was completely satisfied with.  The electronics hacks, in particular, are incredible.  

Quoted from Sparky

While I agree that Gory doesn't deserve this, I believe the same goes to the seller. No one likes to sell a game and then find out it has issues when you didn't know about them. Hell, that has even happened to me. You feel like crap then.

I don't know who the seller is.  Gory is adamant that he won't tell anyone...but having gone quickly over one of the machines myself, I find it difficult to believe the seller didn't notice some of these issues.  None are what I'd describe as trivial...most are glaringly obvious - a few are so obvious you wouldn't even have to be into pinball to know "it's not right".

Gory is a great guy.  Regardless if he's a seasoned buyer, or just starting out, he really doesn't deserve this.  

It sounds like there's a tentative agreement on the table.  Why not just suck it up, and complete the transaction?  I know it has to hurt, but working things out is the right thing to do in this case.

My .002.