Quoted from tomdotcom

Such a hard choice, I consider myself a very good pinball player

On another note, I'd say you should try your hand at the Toronto Pinball Championship then!

http://www.t-p-c.ca

Which will be taking place at the Toronto Pinball and Gameroom show

http://www.torontogameroomshow.com/

But back on the subject at hand.

WCS is an exercise in tedium to play.  The game play is lackluster and just becomes the same old, same old at the end of the day.  The game is way to easy to play in most instances and really doesn't provide much in the way of challenge.  Start multiball, scroe goals, rinse repeat.  That's it, how people can say BSD is a one trick pony and WCS isn't is beyond me.  I'd honestly say there is MORE to do on BSD then there is WCS.  

While yes BSD can be summed up in the simple thing of just the 3 multiballs, it's the complexity involved in getting everything lined up to stack all 3 in one shot that adds that level of excitement to keep you playing.  Plus a sound package that is almost unmatched in it's eeriness.  Also personally what I think to be one of the coolest starts to a multiball, the mist multiball where a pinball is dragged slowly across the the PF.    

WCS is for the casual player, a game to play because they want to feel good about their ability to play well, no real challenge, no real strategy, just bang away on the flippers like a chimp.

BSD is a players game with real challenge and real strategy and I liken the feeling you get when you have Dracula yelling out "TTTHHHHHHHIIIIRRRRTTYYY MIIIILLION!!"  to the same feeling of satisfaction as "YOU SHALL NOT PASS!!!!"

BSD if you like being challenged. It is a bitcharoony for a while and then all of a sudden you get a crazy game where you make it go crazy. Keeps you coming for more.

It is a player's pin. WCS is more cutesy and relaxed to play.

I would love to play in some tourneys, but I'm on the west coast, the guys in the VRPA hold tournaments so I'll probably play in a couple of theirs eventually Great group of guys over here and some amazing players, some of the best in Canada, Eden Stamm is part of the group for example..

Sean O'Neil > Eden Stamm

Tom > all Canadian pinball players, you guys just don't know it yet haha...

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  Tom > all Canadian pinball players, you guys just don't know it yet haha...

If nobody is there to witness it, how do we know if a bear shits in the woods?

Show some high score pics (achieved with the glass on) at default settings and default/greater incline.

Even better, get a deal from Westjet on plane fare and sleep under a bridge just to prove how good you are in 2 weeks.

If I bought a BSD again....and I mean IF.....I would switch those lightning flippers or regular ones.

Lightning flippers are an abomination on pinball machines. They were just added to make a quick buck off the player...just like "buy in".....poop on these features!

As for WCS vs. BSD....the mist-multiball is an awesome trick, and Dracula voice is spooky, but really...that is all this game offers. Otherwise it's the same old, same old, empty PF...The game was designed by a sub-par designer, and wasn't even supposed to be a Dracula game in the first place...Those games that just stick a theme on a preexisting PF bug me!
Barry Oursler...meh. Your best games were designed by Python Anghelo.

WCS is a blast! two different ways to win (i.e. beat all the countries, or beat all the cities"which is pretty tough"), do all the little things like "find striker", shoot around the goalie, etc... The roll overs, the kick back, the magna-save, the soccer ball screwing up your shots, the moving target goalie, and you get to "plunge it yourself" 5ball multiball, which is a serious panic!

and the best part of WCS, No Keanu!

Quoted from wbradley

Show some high score pics (achieved with the glass on) at default settings and default/greater incline.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, High Scores on individual machines are meaningless.  The reason being there is no Standard of Quality.  Every pinball is so different even when they are the same title, it's impossible to get a reasonable baseline to determine a decent score.  Outlanes, settings, kickouts, flipper strength, sling shot sensitivity, pop bumper sensitivity, all of these things and more come into play on a machine.

the only true test of skill is at a tournament, where everyone is playing on the same game at the same time on the same settings in the same place.  That is where the men are separated from the boys.  

And Tom, they have these fancy new things called PLANES, they take you from one place to another so distance isn't an excuse

One of your local VRPA members Robert Gagno is making the trip to the show and as another example I'll be making the 16 hour drive to Minneapolis, Minnesota to participate in the IFPA World Pinball Championship.  So nut up or shutup   

Designer of BSD: Barry Oursler

Credits: Phoenix, Time Warp, Gorgar, LAser Ball, Scorpion, Jungle Lord, Solar Fire, Barracora, Cosmic Gunfight, Defender, Rat Race, Time Fantasy, Joust, Star Light, Space Shuttle, Comet, Grand Lizard, PIN BOT, Fire!, Space Station, Cyclone, Jokerz!, Police Force, Bad Cats, Harle Davidson WMS, Hurricaine, Doctor WHo, Bdam STokers Dracula, Popeye, Dirty Harry, Who Dunnit, Jack BOT, Junk Yard.

He personally dislikes Popeye and Bad Cats.

Are you telling me he didnt design any good machines?

Are you on crack?

Quoted from Hippochrome

If I bought a BSD again....and I mean IF.....I would switch those lightning flippers or regular ones.

Lightning flippers are an abomination on pinball machines. They were just added to make a quick buck off the player...just like "buy in".....poop on these features!

That right there seals you're fate a n00b.  The only time I've found WCS tough to play was at PAPA when they removed the outlane posts, turned off the kickback/magna save and put lightning flippers in.  That makes the game tough.  Otherwise it's a bore!

Play the multiball or work you way through the countries and do what at the end of those, oh right the exact same thing, shoot the goal.  What are you doing during the game, oh yea shooting the goal again, the striker awards are just a distraction and what do most of them involve again, SHOOTING THE GOAL.  

At least with BSD there is some variety in the strategy, trying to work towards one big payoff and even then, even if you achieve the big payoff you still have to do well to get a decent score, you still need to keep your balls in play.  Each of the multiballs is uniquely different.  Castle has the risk reward of trying to lock balls to multiplay your overall jackpot, coffin has you trying to make shots under the ramp in all the chaos to spell out Dracula and mist is just a free for all where everything is lit.  Yes you can argue that two of BSD's 3 modes are exactly the same, rats and bats, but again there is strategy involved around both of them.  Do you start rats and bats right away on the first ball and try and get that to carry over from ball to ball, or do you try and stack a couple of multiballs and then start them so you can multiply the scores achived by the number of multiballs running.  Lets also not forget one of the coolest video modes in pinball as well, and again another nice level of strategy involved in the video mode where letting the wolves get closer to you allows you to score greater points.  BSD has allot more going on for it int he casual player will ever understand because they can't be bothered to figure it out.  But it's a great players game with great strategy and if that is what you are looking for then BSD has it in spades.  

But what I take issue with is that people are saying that WCS is a great game and BSD is a one trick pony.  When that couldn't be further from the truth, WCS is way more of a limited game then BSD.  The only real option you have on WCS is light multiball, start multiball, play multiball, that's it.  Then the multiballs are all the same, shoot the goal.  Throw in some modes where all you do is shoot to goal some more and you end up with a samey and boring game that doesn't even hold a candle to BSD.  

Quoted from Hippochrome

...The game was designed by a sub-par designer, and wasn't even supposed to be a Dracula game in the first place...Those games that just stick a theme on a preexisting PF bug me!

, then you must hate a lot of machines as throughout history about 90% of machines are designed this way. First a playfield design is made and then art and toys are put in.

And to make it crappy for the designer, in many cases he had no say on the theme, and possibly didn't even know what it would be. I think Oursler got hurt with a lot of second-rate themes that made players look away.