well after getting focked over again from a member i think i am done with collecting. will be selling off most of my machines in the coming future. will not sell the crap i got off other member who describe machine as 100% working and in excellent looking shape. far from it and i have been given nothing in the end that help the situation. just words and now kind of nastyness.
this more then sucks. i traded off a killer machine that was worth more then what i got. but i wanted the machine due to i really like the theme and knew i would love the machine.
but in the end i ended up with a big paper weight. i have brought in over 200 pins now in my little time collecting. have done loads of good and great deals. but i can't take the b.s. anymore.
don't know if its worth dropping my collecting due to this bad deal and bad seller/flipper/collector. but at the moment i feel its best. i have over packed my shops so others could enjoy pinball. usally my machines are on and on free play. went out my way driving for others and myself to enjoy pinball.
i do all i can and build up the industry to others. telling them pinball is still alive.
Haven't you gone through this before with a certain DMD machine that was themed after a Drive-in?
I don't think you can get out, its in your blood.
Of course, if the seller has not fulfilled their end of the deal, then you should post more details so the Maaca community can be aware of situation and help avoid future bad deals. After all, isnt this supposed to be a friendly community of hobbyists, traders and dealers?
Absolutely, the community is based on trust. There are a pile of guys that I would buy things from sight unseen just based on the relationships we have formed from this hobby.
That being said, there are others I wouldn't buy from at all for the same reason.
Wow, I still have 939 characters left to use in my signature!
No! One bad deal is a bad reason to get out of any hobby. Especially when you have others in the hobby who are willing to help you.
Besides, I was rather time constrained when I came out there, so I couldn't stick around and play. I totally intend on coming out there again when I get a new bike to at least meet up with you again, I felt bad taking off so quickly. Won't have as big a reason to come all the way out there if you get rid of everything!
Yeah but ,Can you tell me who?? (or at least PM me) so at least I'll know.
I could, but I don't want to step on Gory's toes. It's his story, afterall. I'm sure the name will eventually come out if the seller doesn't make good on the deal.
"My power comes from my boundless rage"
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What's the point of these posts if you aren't gonna tell the whole story and name names? Don't buy from whoever screwed gory. That doesn't help me one bit. I know from the few pins I've seen that I would never buy from jvegas. Not that he's active anymore and I'm sure not every one of his sales are screwjobs but he obviously got in too deep and unloaded crap onto unsuspecting people.
Jvegas sold some good mess too. Seemed he was too busy doing whatever the hell he was doing (to this day I don't really understand the motivation) to take any real interest in WTF he was selling or buying so sometimes guys ended up with good stuff.
I would prefer to buy from those who care about pins and take some pride in them. Not just flip for a quick buck and leave the buyer hanging dry when it's a turd.
Care takes time and time costs money. In other words what I am suggesting is don't buy from anyone in the business of selling used pinballs. There isn't enough money in it to put in the time.
Buy off dumbass collectors. We always figure it's going to cost less than what it actually takes to fully restore a machine and work for chicken feed.
Ok, I don't have a problem with pin flippers as long as the pin isn't being misrepresented. That's what got my nerve with the jvegas deals that I saw.
Speaking of pin flippers. Did anyone one here get the Sorcerer out of Whitby for $300. I have been looking for this title to restore for awhile now. If your intent is to flip LMK.
I would prefer to buy from those who care about pins and take some pride in them. Not just flip for a quick buck and leave the buyer hanging dry when it's a turd.
I ended up with an absolutely beautiful IJ from JVegas, for a good price. He threw extras in too, and even helped get it out of his basement. He treated me fairly in every possible respect.
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What's the point of these posts if you aren't gonna tell the whole story and name names? Don't buy from whoever screwed gory. That doesn't help me one bit.
It's not my place to name names, as it has nothing to do with me. To do so would only be interfering in the process. It's between Gory and his seller. If you're interested, you should likely ask Gory privately, since he's obviously trying to give the person a chance to make things right before going public.
I went to see Gory today, and I can tell you he's very upset with the condition of the machine he ended up with, and how he's being treated by the seller.
"My power comes from my boundless rage"
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I'm sorry it's getting this way, Gory. I went out to help see if the Power supply was the issue, took it home and checked everything I could (I'm no expert) and Gory spent a lot of time fiddling with a whole bunch of issues. This guy is a usual suspect, totally misrepresented the pin's overall working condition. Gory, if you won't spill it, I'd love to, this guy's a numpty a**-hat. Don't get out of the hobby, dude, maybe Bish or AG can help where I can't.
My french is rusty - but I still don't like this guy.
Timing of registration seems a bit coincidental. In any case, I know that if I were to ever deal with anyone - I'd probably avoid them if their collection were to match those found in your signature block.
You can hide behind your username, but you've already made a pretty sh1tty first impression while letting other members know who you are - by telling what you have.
Good luck with that. Has anyone formally welcomed you to MAACA?
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Take a break, but don't get out. The actions of one don't represent the group as a whole. The MAACA community, for the most part, is comprised of a bunch of great folks willing to help and go the extra mile for each other.
If you have been burned and cann't work it out, share the details so other members don't get burned as well. The member is pretty foolish if he isn't willing to come to a compromise. This community is tight and that's one of the great things about it. We all look out for each other.
I've done a couple of trades with you and always been happy. I know you have helped other members, as well. When you say you have been "focked" I believe it.
Looks like Gory's got a ton of support....let's all figure out a way to turn his bogus pin into something useable then perhaps his crappy ordeal can be turned into a learning experience, and we don't lose a valuable MAACA member to the "dark side".
If he was closer I could take a look at it.. I find that brand/model of pin easy to work on.. AND I had that title a few years back..
Mike
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Currently babysitting =============== Heavy Metal Meltdown SOLD - leaving soon
Previously owned ============= Hot Tip, Countdown, HS, WWF, TFTC, T2, RS, Pinbot, Laser War, LOTR, Flinstones, FH, DM, STTNG, Getaway, Silver Slugger, Laser Ball, Bad Cats, Batman Forever, Meteor, TZ, Galaxy, 6MDM, TSPP, MB.
Well, if anyone has a spare DMD driver board (the small board behind the DMD itself) we could see if that was the final problem (Gory has taken care of the remaining problems). Bish and I have been out to look at it, and although I'm no expert, I think that DMD small board is pooched. Anyone able to lend one so we can see?
I just want to take this post to advise you all that the concerned seller is no longer a member of this community. He has been advised by me through email that he is unfortunately no longer authorized to use the MAACA website for any purpose. I have locked his account and banned his access. His Classified ads will be dealt with shortly.
If you wish to contact this member, please do so by email.
Thank you for your understanding and I am sorry if this has caused you any inconveniences at all.
I gotta say if whatever happened was serious enough that the person was banned, his name should be released, I know I'm feeling like I'm in the dark a bit here as I have no idea who was involved in the deal and who I should be watching out for in the future.
I gotta say if whatever happened was serious enough that the person was banned, his name should be released, I know I'm feeling like I'm in the dark a bit here as I have no idea who was involved in the deal and who I should be watching out for in the future.
Click on Recent Posts. And it is an accumulation of serious complaints over time that made me make the decision to end the member's activity here. That is all I will say at this point.
Man, if this keeps up, I will want tou. I have just had a member try to blackmail me... lovely. I guess he is pissed I banned the seller and claims I keep protecting a clique. He even claimed that he had an email written by me containing bad words about a member... funny... he has been shitting on everyone with his export pin lot and changing his ID every 3 onts or so to protect himself...
Man, this is nuts...
So sorry to say, but I am banning him too. Blackmail on a hobby community is just insane...
This forum is for hobbiests. If they come on here saying anything about hurting their ability to buy, sell and affecting them economically then they need to realize this in not the forum they should be on in the first place.
Oh man... this just gets worse and worse... this last member had a 4th account (Carole) claiming to be in Ottawa when selling that Time Machine pin a while back... he was based in the Quebec City area.
Jesus.... you are really not helping your cause my friend... that is afraudulent sales tactic. Lying about where the machine is...
May I just point out that if I find out that a group of people are engaging in such activities, they will all be no longer welcome here.
Oh man... this just gets worse and worse... this last member had a 4th account (Carole) claiming to be in Ottawa when selling that Time Machine pin a while back... he was based in the Quebec City area.
Jesus.... you are really not helping your cause my friend... that is afraudulent sales tactic. Lying about where the machine is...
May I just point out that if I find out that a group of people are engaging in such activities, they will all be no longer welcome here.
Hehehe!! Carole se serait elle vendu sa propre game?!?!?!?
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Blackmail....fraud..... Whatever happened to the good old days of simply using pins for drug running, and money laundering. Come on guys, its Easter, WWJD?
Oh man... this just gets worse and worse... this last member had a 4th account (Carole) claiming to be in Ottawa when selling that Time Machine pin a while back... he was based in the Quebec City area.
Jesus.... you are really not helping your cause my friend... that is afraudulent sales tactic. Lying about where the machine is...
May I just point out that if I find out that a group of people are engaging in such activities, they will all be no longer welcome here.
Well that explains why the seller kept stalling me to come see the "local" game even tho I was second on the list and the first person who they claimed they were "negotiating with" was posting on the thread whether the game was still for sale, did anybody know? at the exact same time.
Buying on MAACA classifieds used to be between people who basically knew each other or somebody could vouch for also knowing them. Now it's almost like buying off Mr Pinball or RGP where you really have no idea who you are dealing with . Have to agree with Glen on this one. And I know I'm going to stick with sellers only that I know or can see the game in person. No deal is worth the aggravation or chance of being burned. Had that done to me thru an RGP sale and have not gone after a game since long distance due to that unless I dealt with the seller before.
I have only purchased pins through people on MAACA where they are known by most of the MAACA members. I have been pleased to date with my dealings on this site and it is definitely sad to hear of someone getting burned. I am glad that 99.9% of people on this site are trust worthy and are in this for the love of pins and aren't here to screw people over or make a fast buck. Thanks to all the respectable sellers and hobbyists that make this a great site.
I have only purchased pins through people on MAACA where they are known by most of the MAACA members. I have been pleased to date with my dealings on this site and it is definitely sad to hear of someone getting burned. I am glad that 99.9% of people on this site are trust worthy and are in this for the love of pins and aren't here to screw people over or make a fast buck. Thanks to all the respectable sellers and hobbyists that make this a great site.
I totally second that...! ! I only bought pinballs from people on this site ! I had to drive the extra mile sometimes to look at what I was buying and was totally worth it!! Thanks to TiJacquesX, Hippochrome x 2, Gerry, Ethous and Claude for selling me the pins I enjoyed ....am I forgetting anyone here?
I will deal again with MAACA members without any problems!!!!
Eric
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Good sirs....may I recommend a rating system for sellers? Could be a very simple system like a new sub-board where the topic would simply be the sellers name. First person starts the topic(subject) with the Users MAACA name, provides feedback, other users post replies to that "name" on their experiences.
The key is to do a search for the user name first - so as to not start multiple threads on one person (but the mod can merge if needed).
Everyone wins - we get to separate the good from the bad.
Good sirs....may I recommend a rating system for sellers? Could be a very simple system like a new sub-board where the topic would simply be the sellers name. First person starts the topic(subject) with the Users MAACA name, provides feedback, other users post replies to that "name" on their experiences.
The key is to do a search for the user name first - so as to not start multiple threads on one person (but the mod can merge if needed).
Everyone wins - we get to separate the good from the bad.
Looks like it's in order considering the topic.
EastSide
This forum has a built in rating system but it was booed out in the past.
Hey Gory Sorry to hear this but dont drop out. I got ripped by Ivo Jebsen on my first pin that I never received. I have kept with the hobby and am very happy with it and most of the people here and the Michigan group on RGP.
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Honestly with all this Drama as of late I am Fed up. With all the BS that's been going on here makes me want to just throw in the towel. Like f*** OK I can understand some people being upset with the seller that i wont mention the the name. But Seeing I have done dealings with him and know him personally. This is what I have to say. He is a good guy has sold maybe about 200 to 300 pins if not more and had about 3 or 4 complaints that i know of. Also questioned tactics but hey we all want a deal. I know allot of people that are leaving maaca that have good rep because this is just getting stupid. I use to talk on here all the time and be on here most of the day. Now I go maybe once a day because personally I get frustrated reading some things. We ban somebody because one person did a complaint or lets say 3 out of how many members? This person never ripped anybody off always worked with you to make sure it was working from what i understand that was offered. But because a few members have a problem with him he is banned? Well from what i understand Twilight zone,ME,myself and allot more have dealt with him do you hear us yelling and screaming on this post? I will get to the point if this is the direction maaca is going I don't want to be part of it at all!! Been here since the beginning love the people made some friends and I stand by them at all times. So if this is how it is THEN I AM DONE!!!!
Life is like Pinball!! You never know where you will bounce or where your going but sometimes you have that one amazing shot But on the other hand you have those darn gutter ball where you just get frustrated.
Didn't you have the same "problem" with Gerry Gory?! why not give Sirtype the same legal papers?!
You traded off a machine that was worth more then what you get? that sounds exactly like when you traded me that beat up Solar fire (without a playfield glass on top of that) for my clearcoated pinbot... Did I ever complain about it?!(until now!) nope. I've just learned to be careful and to never accept anything without pictures from anybody.
I've never meet Sirtype but I know a lot of people who dealt with him and a lot of those I respect a lot but I would still, like anyone, see, touch and smell the machine before doing any deals because I too have been burned in the past. It's part of the hobby I guess.
If you have a valid complain because you really got burned and you want to involve us, please tell the whole story instead of "menacing" to leave the hobby... Cooke is right, we don't need the drama and that applies to anyone... c'mon! stop beeing a drama queen. If you want to leave, be gone and move on.
Best regards Phil
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You're going to get "drama" in a FORUM....that's basically what it's about. This forum is only one part of MAACA. The opposite of "drama" is "indifference" and who wants to buy a machine from a site where the people are indifferent ? WHen all is said and done, I'll take a little drama with my forum rather than no forum at all !
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You still go see it no matter what. No matter if he is your friend or not you get allot of supprise. They can explaine all they want to you but when you get it you notice it's worse. Not because he lied but sometimes the sellers have no clue..
Depends on how bad you want a pin and how hard it is to find ...
Life is like Pinball!! You never know where you will bounce or where your going but sometimes you have that one amazing shot But on the other hand you have those darn gutter ball where you just get frustrated.
Either it was an honest mistake (they do happen) or it was intentional deception. If it were me, and I was a seller that made the honest mistake I'd try to help make the customer happy, even to offer a full return. But I don't know the details of this case so can't comment on who was right/wrong, or if the seller has tried to offer after-sales help. I just wanted to add that all the responsibility should not be on the buyer's shoulders. The buyer 'should' be able to at least trust that the seller is NOT trying to actively deceive them.
While I agree that it's best for buyers to see machines before they buy, it isn't always possible. There is risk in purchasing from afar, shipping being one of them, but it does not give the seller the right to mislead the buyer.
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-Medieval Madness! -Indiana Jones (Williams) -Star Trek: The Next Generation -Champion Pub -Terminator 3 -Congo -Johnny Mnemonic -Tales of the Arabian Nights
I'm not going to get caught up in the argument of who is right and who is wrong as there is no point, not enough information is avaliable to pick a side.
But that being said, I have always hated the notion that it is the buyers fault for not doing the due-diligegance and checking out a machine. This is the only hobby I know where the buyer is the first to be blamed and not the seller.
Ignorance is not an excuse, if you don't know, don't claim to know either, saying a machine works perfect without actually knowing if it works perfect is lying. Everything should be fully disclosed, that way there are no suprises and no problems. If you don't know everything is working, then say that a simple "The machine seems to be working to me, but I'm no real expert and there could be something I'm missing" lets the buyer know what they may be getting into right up front rather then "Games works 100%".
I'm happy to say in all the machines I have sold I have never, ever had anyone ever come back to me with anything about any machine and I believe that is because I let the buyer know everything about the machine up front.
Also now knowing who the seller involved in this transaction is, ignorance is 100% not an excuse.
If you guys think some people in this hobby are a bit shady, then it's a good thing Kijiji doesn't have a rating system. I use it all the time, and yikes - what a whole lotta BS people put you through there.
1) "Saw your ad - are you open to offers*?" Offers = half of your asking price 2) "Hey, will you accept a used microwave, some comic books, and Canadian Tire money as a trade instead of your asking price?" 3) "Where can I see this item?" (no more responses to emails) 4) A) "I'm interested - please email me where you live so I can take a look" B) "Sorry. I found what I was looking for somewhere else - thanks anyway!" 5) "Does LCD mean flat screen?" 6) "Do you have any more pictures?" AKA - I'm not really interested in buying, just at looking from the comfort of my home. 7) "Can you give me the model number?" AKA - I'm going to base my decision on Google and CNET results. 8 ) "Does the _________ shown in the photo come with the item?" Usually when said items was noted as NOT being part of the deal.
And that's just a few complaints about BUYERS......let alone the sellers!!
MAACA beats Kijiji hands down. Sorry, off topic. Just needed to get everyone on the same side......sheesh.
We use a "rating thread" over at CGCC, but I've never bothered with it.. the way I see it, if you're an active member of a community with common goals and standards, you'll generally do whatever it takes to make sure everyone's happy.. otherwise, you wouldn't expect to be part of that community for very long (or at least, you wouldn't be selling to the community anymore -- word does get around*, after all!)
*That being said, I know there's a few on here I'll never deal with
On that note.. I joined this forum because I like turtles... errrrrr, Pinball. If I want drama, I'd watch Dr. Phil.
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This is a really, really, really long thread with very little substance. One side made vague comments and the other side never had any say. Kinda like....
oh......
The Spanish Inquisition!
(and no, that is not really pictures of the MAACA admins)
This is a really, really, really long thread with very little substance. One side made vague comments and the other side never had any say. Kinda like....
And despite that, some people were quick to blame the buyer. Without enough info, nobody should be blaming anybody!
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Hi EastSiderGamer ! Since there ' s very little people using Kijiji for selling pins in my area and it may be the add you refer to , i ' m in quebec city and i Had an add going for a Monte Carlo ( bally 1973 ) as for asking price " best offer " . It was in perfect working shape , but the PF had some ware to it , nothing major . I knew i would ' nt get the $$$ i was expecting for it on MAACA . When it ' s the case , i just don ' t use MAACA . As for now , i Have a firball II and a taxi that will go up for sale sooner or later and they may go on MAACA , even if they ' re not 100% . As for my comment about " depends how bad you want the pin and how rare it is ... " i got a centaur in a really rough shape , at 10 hres drive back and forward , across the border , that cost me $1200.00 .Then , i got a CPR PF for it that cost me $750.00 ( lucky me ) shipping included to ottawa at the bus depot , drove 4 hres to pick it up , a good excuse to stop by Medvet ' s place , play pinball and meet MAACA people . When i ' ll be done with the centaur , it ' s gonna be great and 100% . I ' d say it ' s the best way to be certain you get yourself a pin that ' s 100% ...
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on advice from my wife i stayed off the computer for any pinball related stuff. really i stayed off for everything except alittle facebook. spent the weekend with eve and erin having loads of fun. haven't read all the post yet or emails. but just wanted to thank all for caring. the pin is still not working. but that wasn't the only problem. deal was a two parter and guy i was dealing with came back with a reply that he had my item now and felt its not worth what was a done deal. so he ended up selling my pin to another before we even traded. so my pin became money in his pocket and i ended up with a machine not as described and not fuctioning. plus out another machine all together. i am trying to work with seller. its not and hasn't been easy. i really wanted out. just keep four or five pins, a jukebox, one kids ride and the mame. well read all now and update soon enough.
Wow, that sounds REALLY rotten to me. I wonder what this guy has to say in response, if he's even around.
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You traded off a machine that was worth more then what you get? that sounds exactly like when you traded me that beat up Solar fire (without a playfield glass on top of that) for my clearcoated pinbot... Did I ever complain about it?!(until now!) nope. I've just learned to be careful and to never accept anything without pictures from anybody.
hey phil. if you remeber the whole thing with solar fire. you didn't even have to asked about the stuff on the pf. i told you that the pf looked to have a clear coating done on it and it wasn't nice before deal was done. you didn't believe it and you said that didn't matter, that you should be able to fix it. i sent you pics of it and told you it wasn't worth it. as i have done with other machines. then brought it up to you in person and you saw the condition. it was a machine you really wanted bad and couldn't find you told me. that is why you traded it for the pinbot which you were more then bored with. yep i ended up with your pinbot that look wonderful but had minor flaw to locking area. that was back in the days when i didn't really know anything about pins. minor things are never a problem. almost every machine i picked up has minor issues. but usally are as described and sometimes they are better then that.
its not about price or money. its getting what is listed in ad and getting what your told. also the fact he has my end of the trade and i don't have his end. let alone the other part of the deal i ended up with something that wasn't as described and not as pictured even.
It means when you buy a machine, look, touch and play.
It's not complicated
stop putting the blame on the back of everybody
nobody break your arm to buy I think
it's always you who reveins with such stories
I do not cry
thats all well and good. its kind of hard to look touch and feel from a big distance. if you were there that saturday at the auction you would have seen how more then busy i was. let alone trying to get all done in time to make it back for a baby birthday with my daughter. i did 5 deals that day. all were stand up trades except this one. i stand behind my machines. if they are not what i described or there is a issue then i will fix it. as it turned out that the machine i brought up were so good that not one stayed in the orginal persons hands. they traded it or sold it that day with quick profit being made in front of me. all i said that it was good and wow, how much?
i kind of trust others when dealing with this group. sorry i feel that most of us are more then great people. we are great pinballers. people who stand up for other pinballers when something wrong happens. i didn't bring anything out and just posted i wasnted out due to a bad deal that happened. people vent and thats kind of what i did. wife told me to take a break and think about it. so i did. still have a pin that doesn't work proper. reset all the switches so they work and game is playable without display. but also don't have anything for the other part of the trade and then they said the other part makes up for the whole deal and that the pop machine was ugly (loads of pics and described it so). orginal listing is up still. i didn't take it down to hide anything. unlike their orginal post of royal rumble.
i don't have time or space for repairs at the shop. we do it anyways. but i try to have just working pins. things get minor issues that i can't fix i usally trade them off and i tell all flaws when doing so. shoot i will even tell you if a machine sucks due to gameplay and that its not worth it. did so with a few members here even. sorry, i am not trying to make others live up to my standards. i am just trying to get them to live up to their own.
If he was closer I could take a look at it.. I find that brand/model of pin easy to work on.. AND I had that title a few years back..
Mike
me too mike. i do have mcmean and bish working on the pin and expect it will get up and running perfect again. but thats not the issue. seller didn't stand up and pin wasn't as described. but again, that was part of the deal. he left me hanging on the other part of the deal telling me he would fix it and all would be great and fine in the end. well he ended it with i have your ugly pop machine up here and here is the new deal.
Oh man... this just gets worse and worse... this last member had a 4th account (Carole) claiming to be in Ottawa when selling that Time Machine pin a while back... he was based in the Quebec City area.
Jesus.... you are really not helping your cause my friend... that is afraudulent sales tactic. Lying about where the machine is...
May I just point out that if I find out that a group of people are engaging in such activities, they will all be no longer welcome here.
this is why i tend to trust members on this site. collectors that care. we should protect each other the best we can. that i usally why i do most of my trades and sales through maaca.
1. He is a good guy has sold maybe about 200 to 300 pins if not more and had about 3 or 4 complaints that i know of. Also questioned tactics but hey we all want a deal.
2.This person never ripped anybody off always worked with you to make sure it was working from what i understand that was offered.
in responce to that. i too have had over 200 pins in the past few years. but this wasn't about getting a good deal and using tactics. i was trading a tftc for a royal rumble. all the profits were in his fav. he had the machine listed at $1800 and in such excellent shape that it was worth that price. i told him the flaws to my tftc and we traded. he had my tftc flipped when we made the deal that is why he traded he stated that to me. he dropped it off the day we traded. didn't fix any of the issues i told him or anything. just past it onto another person and then told me he had to go back and fix a couple of issues. very minor issues and the new owner is very happy. he stated to me he played royal rumble 50-100 times and it played fine with a couple switchs having issues. well the ball couldn't roll over more then half the toggle switchs and some switches were missing pieces. fuse right out in the open missing and a fuse on the flipper board with acid on it and the board. cleaned and fit that. he stated his tech went over everything on the machine. i asked how they miss they rumble fuse missing right out in the open? no answer on that or other questions. all i get is what do you want? yes, he is trying to kind of work it out (NOW). but in the long run (more then 2 weeks now) i haven't been getting real answers to my questions. so i was more then alittle pissed.
as it turned out that the machine i brought up were so good that not one stayed in the orginal persons hands. they traded it or sold it that day with quick profit being made in front of me. all i said that it was good and wow, how much?
Not intentionally though I did not even have plans of selling it...but the parking lot swap meet is always an adventure.
But yes I do have to side with Greg here, we had multiple discussions about various trades, at one point I wanted his skee ball, I sent pics of my layout etc. Gory wanted my Gorgar, BUT at one point told me flat out thta he did not think the skee ball would fit down my stairs...there by ending the gorgar trade. He wanted it BUT he was honest in saying he did not think it would fit; even though it "may" have meant loosing the Gorgar he did not care. That is a STAND UP GUY move in my books.
Sorry you got screwed Gory, I do know that the guys you traded with generally have buyers before they make trades so it's too bad you can't get it back...
I am not taking sides here, just stating facts as they pertain to my own experience. I have ALWAYS had great dealings with Gory, and I have never actually had dealing with the other party involved.
Sorry you got screwed Gory, I do know that the guys you traded with generally have buyers before they make trades so it's too bad you can't get it back...[
Hmmph. I guess this thread is teaching me a thing or two. Here I was, naively thinking that MAACA would be a good place to pick up a pin for a fair price and keep it within a community of caring / sharing pinballers. With people flipping machines for profit, I might as well buy any future pins off eBay , Craigslist or Kijiji.
OK... I have been getting lots of PMs so I thought I would give an explanation here.
I got PMs with a whole range of opinions, from me being a dictator for banning people, all the way to being a saint to do it. I can tell you all that both are wrong. I didn't ban sirtype because people got the idea that I don't like him (untrue... I have spoket to hima few times... got along great) or that I believe that he is a crook (he has sold hundreds of machines, and as far as I know, there are not hundreds of complaints, but there are some).
I believe this situation was fueled by a few things... first of all, him being labelled as a reseller, which is second to Satan according to some here. Being a reseller always had a taboo against them... almost like being the enemy. If he chooses to make a living by reselling pins, so be it. But some tend to exagerate.
Other point is that there were a few sour deals. Since I am not involved in any of them, I cannot take position, nor will I. Sour deals can come from both ways... it can be from a seller not disclosing everything (which can be from questionable practices or merely from lack of knowledge) or it can be from a buyer with high expectations. Often a condition of a machine is an interpretation. And the only way to avoid this trap is for both parties to look at the machine(s) together. Now don't get me wrong... I am not trying to blame one or another in Gory's deal... I don't know 100% what happened so I won't comment on it.
One last factor I want to throw in is emotion. It is too easy to say or write really nasty things when subject to emotion. Best to let things quiet down before commenting. Gory's wife had the best call here. Take a step back. And this emotion can also spread... just read this thread and you will know what I mean. Gerry wrote snide comments under emotion and even sent me nasty words... but I don't hold it against him. But I did take the same action on him as well... I didn't ban them just to get rid of them... I did it in sirtype's case to protect everyone including him... best if people go their own ways when no one gets along. I have even referred people to his email in order to contact him. I even sent his email to all that PMed me about contacting him. I didn't label him as a crook. I just don't want MAACA to be involved in promoting bad blood. And as for Gerry, I think he got caught up in the emotion and probably didn't think that doing certain actions would have some consequences. Is he mad that I banned him? Oh yeah... justifiably. But he did say in an email that he was glad I did it, so he could get a breather since he found himself nearly obsessed with the site. Would I let him back in? Yes. Nothing is forever. We all have our rough patches... present company DEFINITELY included.
This being said, I will not lock this post... but guys, before you write any bad words, take 5 and think about it. A conflict is best resolved directly. And let's not forget...
Rudy says it best... it's only pinball.
I value friendship and family over pinball any day...
Hmmph. I guess this thread is teaching me a thing or two. Here I was, naively thinking that MAACA would be a good place to pick up a pin for a fair price and keep it within a community of caring / sharing pinballers. With people flipping machines for profit, I might as well buy any future pins off eBay , Craigslist or Kijiji.
Careful... it is easy to stereotype. I have bought MANY machines through MAACA. As many others have, and didn't have a problem. Like I said previously... go see a pin before buying. You might be bummed out by the condition, like you could be amazingly surprised. I have had that happen, where a member told me a pin was a dead POS... when I saw it, it was MUCH better than let on to be.
And the community is like you just posted... like any family, once in a while a conflict happens. And unfortunately, that always gathers more attention than a member getting an AWESOME deal from another. I could go on and on on that end. Jeez... I buy pins from members like Mrhide without even looking! My standards are way lower than his, so a P.O.S. for him is great for me!
naively thinking that MAACA would be a good place to pick up a pin for a fair price and keep it within a community of caring / sharing pinballers. With people flipping machines for profit, I might as well buy any future pins off eBay , Craigslist or Kijiji.
Could not diagree with you more. There are a lot of fine people in this comuinity and many take great pride in their machines and I would buy from many of them blind based on their descriptions. But if you are naively thinking everyone is like that, you are wrong. And what is wrong with selling a pin for market value if that means you made a profit? Most collectors on this site put lots of value in their pins by shopping and restoring them.
The reality is that these are pinball machines after all, with hundreds of moving parts and some are 20 and 30 years old now. To think you will not have issues or breakdowns is totally being naive. Educating yourself is the greatest thing you can do or find someone knowledgeable that can help you.
It has been scientifically proven that light is faster than sound. That is why some people seem brilliant........until they open their mouth!
With people flipping machines for profit, I might as well buy any future pins off eBay , Craigslist or Kijiji.
The description given by Gory is one of the few instances I can recall where someone described flipping a machine sight unseen. The statement basically says that someone would do what they did and put their reputation in jeopardy for $. I don't see that from most guys on the forum. They tend to want to uphold their reputation within the group. If it was myself doing a straight flip I would clearly state that I never openned, played, tinkered, f'd with etc. the game to the buyer and this is the description I got from the previous owner about it. It would end with "do you still want it in light of this information or the lack thereof?"
As to the comments made about selling high $ off Kijiji, Craigslist or Ebay. It seems to work for entry level pins, but for high end stuff your into the serious collectors that know what they are buying and are willing to fork out the money for it.
Hell I have had games that I went over but thought there still could be minor issues which I didn't put the effort in to fully flesh out and said "treat as a Kijiji ad" just to be perfectly clear about my level of confidence in what I was selling. I am certain it was light years ahead of a Kijiji non-collector machine but still as someone who is in the know as most of us are here did not want to misrepresent what was there. 200 to 300 machines being bought and sold makes me look like a newb in retrospect.
Makes me think it's best to just advertise in Kijiji and Craigslist. No write-up, no knowledge, it doesn't have to work right, couple bad pics and your off to the races with your sale.
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. Have to agree with Glen on this one. And I know I'm going to stick with sellers only that I know or can see the game in person. No deal is worth the aggravation or chance of being burned. Had that done to me thru an RGP sale and have not gone after a game since long distance due to that unless I dealt with the seller before.
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