Or, If you could go to some place with one Pin, what Pin would you want it to be?
And if it was to be a New Stern... Which one?
Just curious what people might go out of their way to play... Needless to say, I have such a location and I am wondering what game to put in. I can take something out of stock or buy something I want to add to my collection later!
Dave
Here are games I would like to acquire this year, or sometime...
24 Iron Man Attack From Mars Prefer Pounded playfield! Monster Bash Prefer Pounded Playfield! Elvis Sopranos Batman Forever Spider-Man Stern Prefer Pounded Playfield!
Have these available for trade or possible sale: Corvette South Park Theatre of Magic Twilight Zone RFM/SW:EP1 Nucore Combo AFM
Guns and Roses....I can't stop playing it recently. And a Stern??? Probably a Monopoly or a TSPP (pstttt..I have both for sale!! )....seriously Harley Davidson...its a game I loved playing while I had it!
Medieval or No Good Gofers. I love both and would still pay money to play on a location if I found them on a trip. MM still seem to be somewhat common in the US on route due to earning power however not sure how I would feel about putting a $6000+ machine on location
Talking Sterns - when people are at my house POTC and Nascar get the most play (vs Monopoly and Ripleys or any of my other classics). Creature is also very popular with friends.
Guess it depends on whether you are going to cater to average person or a pinball player ie Twilight Zone never gets played really by non pin friends.
If you are talking about putting a game on location, I think the best location game ever made is AFM. Simple, easy to understand rules. Great for beginners and tons of fun for the pros. Although I sold mine, I would gladly drop some money in one if I saw one on location.
- They are cheap to buy, - They are built tough, - There are lenty available out there for parts, - 95% of people out there can't tell the difference quality-wise or value-wise between a Medieval Madness and a Stargate. In fact, I bet that more than half of non-collector and non-connoisseur pin players will find the Stargate better looking.
Keep this golden rule in mind:
At home, quality is king go for the best. On a route, cash is king, go for the most cost-effective. It will take you 5-6 times longer to start making money with a Medieval madness than a System 3 GTB. And there are more gadgets to break on a MM anyways = more repairs = more cost.
For a location/route, I'm with Sparky thinking a cheaper older machine is easier for general non-pinball playing crowd. I have no experience, but thinking a 60/70's pin would attract the 50+ crowd. Say in a hospital waiting room - or @ a Kiwanis / Legion building. Mind you a quarter-a-play would be asking a lot for my dad to cough up for a 2 minute game.
My experience, just having pins for 10 months now is that the simple ruleset games get the most play because the people can easily understand what's going on. When they play the DMD's their balls drained before they know it.
How would a Bobby Orr Power Play do at the Sensplex in Ottawa do??? 4 rinks full of young kids all day long!
- They are cheap to buy, - They are built tough, - There are lenty available out there for parts, - 95% of people out there can't tell the difference quality-wise or value-wise between a Medieval Madness and a Stargate. In fact, I bet that more than half of non-collector and non-connoisseur pin players will find the Stargate better looking.
Keep this golden rule in mind:
At home, quality is king go for the best. On a route, cash is king, go for the most cost-effective. It will take you 5-6 times longer to start making money with a Medieval madness than a System 3 GTB. And there are more gadgets to break on a MM anyways = more repairs = more cost.
My other location has a Mario Andretti and it gets played Tons!! Now I have to go fix it, I got a call today, Left Flipper not working... Probably a broken wire or a broken Flipper link, If I had to guess... That is the problem with Pins on Location, They really do break! System 3 Gottlieb really is a solid design.
Dave
Here are games I would like to acquire this year, or sometime...
24 Iron Man Attack From Mars Prefer Pounded playfield! Monster Bash Prefer Pounded Playfield! Elvis Sopranos Batman Forever Spider-Man Stern Prefer Pounded Playfield!
Have these available for trade or possible sale: Corvette South Park Theatre of Magic Twilight Zone RFM/SW:EP1 Nucore Combo AFM
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Anything made before 1983. Not kidding.
I'll bet if you put a nostalgia piece on location it would make a killing. (Provided it is well-maintained and bullet-proofed so it doesn't have technical issues too quickly.)
They're easy to understand, fun to play and the vintage factor alone would attract a lot of attention. I don't think the average person gives most 'modern' pins a second look. Pinball is dead for a reason. Go back to basics and see what happens.
I recently sold a good friend of mine a Bally Black Jack and his 11 and 13 year old daughters and all their friends are AMAZED by it. They often pass right on by the Wii to play pinball. Most of them have never even seen a pin that old and have absolutely fallen in love with it. I guarantee the South Park or POTC at the local establishment doesn't get that kind of reaction out of them.
Put one of these out. I hear they are a real riot! Oh wait you said "machine" ah.. it has to be pinball eh. Ok TZ. Just to watch poor unsuspecting players suffer trying to figure it out.
If you are talking about putting a game on location, I think the best location game ever made is AFM. Simple, easy to understand rules. Great for beginners and tons of fun for the pros. Although I sold mine, I would gladly drop some money in one if I saw one on location.
Duane
I started to read this... and I was sure you were going to say TAF, since it appeals to both players and operators. It is als the best selling pinball of all time. So it did something right for operators.
I got a call today, Left Flipper not working... Probably a broken wire or a broken Flipper link, If I had to guess... Dave
Was a broken Flipper Link, That is the most common problem I have encountered woth located Gottlieb's, that and Coin mech Jams...
Here are games I would like to acquire this year, or sometime...
24 Iron Man Attack From Mars Prefer Pounded playfield! Monster Bash Prefer Pounded Playfield! Elvis Sopranos Batman Forever Spider-Man Stern Prefer Pounded Playfield!
Have these available for trade or possible sale: Corvette South Park Theatre of Magic Twilight Zone RFM/SW:EP1 Nucore Combo AFM
The Location I am looking at is a Licensed Pool Hall, So No minors and the people playing tend to go to play Pinball, at least some of them do for sure. I have had in there historically: Stargate, Demo Man, Getaway and Currently Congo (The one that Jim had in his shop for a while a year or two ago). I used to run 2 games in there but as soon as a new one would come in the old one would drop to maybe 1/10th of the new one, so I have one in there now and a Buck Hunter 2.
I do have games to put in there that I have been acquiring with this very thing in mind, I am just curious what people think, I am leaning towards the No Fear that came from Jim to JD3 to me, it is a Perfect location game in that it has Cabinet fade and a wear spot on the playfield in front of the right flipper. I know many of you played this game at Jims before it made it's way west. I also have a spare WH2O that I am considering trying there, I talked to a Vendor one time who told me that WH2O was the best earning Pin he ever had. I also have a WCS94 that I ran in a different place one time that I may put in, or maybe a Judge Dredd, I am sure most people never saw that and it has a certain WoW Factor. Maybe Goldeneye? Great appeal with the Bond theme, or Who Dunnit, Cool theme, Slots are neat etc.
This location is not right for a vintage game, If it was a high traffic area I can see that working, but not here, at least not for very long.
I was thinking of buying a Spider-Man to put in there for a while and then bring home with a "Gee Honey, I had to change the game for something different!" line to get it in the house. But I don't think that is necessary, She would just roll her eyes and then Kick my Butt on it!
I have been trying to get an AF from a friend, the game has a fairly rough playfield and would be perfect for a location, but so far, no luck!
I also don't mind putting something fairly High end in there, Where else are you going to go to play these games? I know I have bought Very Many Pins that I had never tried, just so I could play them as they are no where to be found, and, On the off chance you do run into one, the odds of it playing well are slim to none. That said, I really need to get that Mario Andretti shopped, I am guilty of neglect like so many others! Heck, I had an IJ on location and right beside it a Baby PacMan, Then Hardkor found them and... Well, You know where this is headed... Bye Bye!!
So, More input is appreciated, I like the AFM idea, but I don't have a spare and they are tough to find, and I like mine right where it is!
Anybody have any "A" list games in less than stellar shape that they want to move?? Let me know, I would be very interested.
Dave
Here are games I would like to acquire this year, or sometime...
24 Iron Man Attack From Mars Prefer Pounded playfield! Monster Bash Prefer Pounded Playfield! Elvis Sopranos Batman Forever Spider-Man Stern Prefer Pounded Playfield!
Have these available for trade or possible sale: Corvette South Park Theatre of Magic Twilight Zone RFM/SW:EP1 Nucore Combo AFM
For a location/route, I'm with Sparky thinking a cheaper older machine is easier for general non-pinball playing crowd. I have no experience, but thinking a 60/70's pin would attract the 50+ crowd. Say in a hospital waiting room - or @ a Kiwanis / Legion building. Mind you a quarter-a-play would be asking a lot for my dad to cough up for a 2 minute game.
My experience, just having pins for 10 months now is that the simple ruleset games get the most play because the people can easily understand what's going on. When they play the DMD's their balls drained before they know it.
How would a Bobby Orr Power Play do at the Sensplex in Ottawa do??? 4 rinks full of young kids all day long!
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM........selling shoes is overrated anyway...and more income means more Pins!!!!!
So, More input is appreciated, I like the AFM idea, but I don't have a spare and they are tough to find, and I like mine right where it is!
They only made 3,425 AFM's and at their price, this game shouldn't go back on location.
I wouldn't go with anything that looks crappy. Even an older title that looks nice will do better than something crappy. Let's face it, very few know pinball as well as collectors do and so they would be less fussy about title and more about appeal.
If it were me I would put a WW or ES out. Proven money maker that can be found for a fair price.
If it were me I would put a WW or ES out. Proven money maker that can be found for a fair price.
Hey Necro, Is there a list of "Proven Money Makers" out there?? I seem to recall seeing something like that...
Dave
Here are games I would like to acquire this year, or sometime...
24 Iron Man Attack From Mars Prefer Pounded playfield! Monster Bash Prefer Pounded Playfield! Elvis Sopranos Batman Forever Spider-Man Stern Prefer Pounded Playfield!
Have these available for trade or possible sale: Corvette South Park Theatre of Magic Twilight Zone RFM/SW:EP1 Nucore Combo AFM