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Doesn't look like anything that hasn't already been posted in another thread.

I'm no pinball expert, but it looks very old and very tired in my opinion.

Although there might be a really challenging and/or "deep" rule set ( which seems to be of the greatest importance to good players ) , I am always disappointed with the lack of real, visible innovation.  It's like there's nothing left to do in the world of pinball production.   Whether the cause is financial or some other valid reason, it doesn't make the games any more interesting.

you get better images if you go to the video page..same vid as already posted, but scroll down and theres better pf shots...better than the blurry grainy shots they have in the photo section...go figure!

Quoted from Pinballed

you get better images if you go to the video page..same vid as already posted, but scroll down and theres better pf shots...better than the blurry grainy shots they have in the photo section...go figure!

Those are screen captures from the video.

Quoted from mrniceguy

I'm no pinball expert, but it looks very old and very tired in my opinion.

Although there might be a really challenging and/or "deep" rule set ( which seems to be of the greatest importance to good players ) , I am always disappointed with the lack of real, visible innovation.  It's like there's nothing left to do in the world of pinball production.   Whether the cause is financial or some other valid reason, it doesn't make the games any more interesting.

I kind of tend to agree a bit, I was hoping they might do more with the layout but it looks just like Ironman basically and while I really like Ironman, it doesn't make me want to played a rethemed version of the same game.  

But who knows I'll reserve final judgment until I actually play the game.  

Me think that's one ugly backglass.

Quoted from Dr.Who

Me think that's one ugly backglass.

Actually I like it ... I think the 3D is a fairly cool idea but until I see it in person who knows

Might have to keep my hard earn Unobtanium and wait for Tron...

Since we've determined that AV the same as IM... It should take too long to pump out a Tron...

Another booooooring pinball game from stern...   God! Bring back Williams!!!

Quoted from miniman2020

Might have to keep my hard earn Unobtanium and wait for Tron...

Since we've determined that AV the same as IM... It should take too long to pump out a Tron...

Wishful thinking. With Tron coming out this fall, if they haven't announced it yet, they probably won't have one come out. Unless TRON 2 is an Avatar sized hit that is, which is unlikely, to say the least.

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Another booooooring pinball game from stern...   God! Bring back Williams!!!

I don't think that would solve anything. What we truly need is a major shift in pinball. Something to get people excited. There hasn't been a technological shift in pinball in 20 years, other than the blip on the radar called Pinball 2000.

Still using DMDs, still using standard cabs, still using the same playfield principles... it's just gotten old, and they pretty much have done everything that they is to do. We need a period of great innovation like they did in the late 70's/early 80's, where designs were radically different from pins made 5 years prior to that. Something fresh...

But... for that...

you need money.

Quoted from Sparky

I don't think that would solve anything. What we truly need is a major shift in pinball. Something to get people excited. There hasn't been a technological shift in pinball in 20 years, other than the blip on the radar called Pinball 2000.

Still using DMDs, still using standard cabs, still using the same playfield principles... it's just gotten old, and they pretty much have done everything that they is to do. We need a period of great innovation like they did in the late 70's/early 80's, where designs were radically different from pins made 5 years prior to that. Something fresh...

But... for that...

you need money.

Not true at all, if you read this thread:

http://groups.google.ca/group/rec.games.pinball/browse_thread/thread/f3d9f57b61b492c4?hl=en#

You'll see that Stern is actually succeeding with their last two games (BBH and IM) to increase earnings out on route.  Their test locations, according to Josh, are seeing increased earnings and a better return.  So while we as a collector community may not like the way that Stern is going, it is working for them.  

Rehash of the same Stern forumla is likely the fallout of laying off talent.

I don't see any innovation here. The target drop bank started where... BK2K possibly? Static toys laid on top just don't cut it for me. What ever happened to exploding castles, pin-mation heads, ball tossing Ringmasters and vanishing ball mechanisms? Isn't pinball just a big a** toy for big boys.

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Quoted from Sparky

I don't think that would solve anything. What we truly need is a major shift in pinball. Something to get people excited. There hasn't been a technological shift in pinball in 20 years, other than the blip on the radar called Pinball 2000.

Still using DMDs, still using standard cabs, still using the same playfield principles... it's just gotten old, and they pretty much have done everything that they is to do. We need a period of great innovation like they did in the late 70's/early 80's, where designs were radically different from pins made 5 years prior to that. Something fresh...

But... for that...

you need money.

I agree. About that "blip" called pinball 2K, there are lots of ways to do the same thing without infringing on Williams Patent Take note Stern.