Ready for the biggest fix prediction of the playoffs

Philly will beat NJ

Now I'm a Philly fan, but they totally shouldn't beat NJ in the first round.
(i.e. Philly's #1 goalie is 33yr old Brian Boucher who didn't start a single game between Dec. 23 and March 16th)

Watch the series and look for:
-Low penalties on Philly...just like last year with the Pens "dramatic" rise to the cup
-High penalties on NJ
-A couple disallowed goals
-Weird calls helping Philly (offsides, too many men, etc.)

This will lead the way to a final four match up of:

Was. vs. Pitt
Chi vs. Det
(the ultimate dream situation for the NHL)

The west is a little different (i.e. doesnt need to be as fixed as the East)
....The NHL wouldn't mind seeing VAN or SJ go far (appease Canada, and not look too fixed "again" with an early exit of SJ)

p.s. Philly wont be happy when in the 2nd round the "penalty tide" sways and all the calls start going Washinton's way...watch for them to lose their temper and hurt someone like Ovechkin or Semin....the guy who hurts one of these guys will be in MEGA crap by the NHL(odds are its Pronger, or Carcillo)

1st round East winners:
Was.
Philly
----------
Buff.
Pitt.

2nd round East winners:
Was.
Pitt.

Now for the West winners:
SJ
Det.
----
Van.
Chi.

Nah, it's gonna be a Jets Vs. Nordiques final, after Winnepeg bumps off the Whalers in the semis.  

If it's so fixed to maximize revenue, why don't we see the same teams in the finals every year. Colour me skeptical

Get off the cheap weed Hippo, you of all people should know the Sens are going all the freakin' way!

Now where did I put my fatty?

Nhl is impossible to fix... the leafs would have won a cup by now if it was fixed... mhmm

Quoted from BIGWIG416

Nhl is impossible to fix... the leafs would have won a cup by now if it was fixed... mhmm

Dirty refs buddy....I'm tellin' ya! Bettman sets which refs do which game...All he has to do is pick the ones that are in his pocket, and Bob's your uncle....the teams he wants to go on, do.

Interesting way to test this bet is to see who reffed the Pittsburg games last year...If those guys are reffing the Philly game, then the fix is in!

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Quoted from Hippochrome

Dirty refs buddy....I'm tellin' ya! Bettman sets which refs do which game...All he has to do is pick the ones that are in his pocket, and Bob's your uncle....the teams he wants to go on, do.

Interesting way to test this bet is to see who reffed the Pittsburg games last year...If those guys are reffing the Philly game, then the fix is in!

Quoted from McMean

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Where's Kerry Frazer when you need him!

I gotta say my minds with Hippo though.   Good argument on the Leafs side.

What I find odd is the commentators must be under strick guidelines to not discuss penalty indifference's too much.    Early in the season the Sens were the only team to have 3 or more games where they never had a power play.   Also, just blindly comparing "total penalties" is weak because early penalties / power-plays can give a team the advantage.   I'd love to see kind of stat that measure power-plays awarded while even-strength, within a goal, etc.    

Biased of course, but often-times my home team would be carrying the play in the opening period and then be called on an minor infraction giving the other team the momentum.

All you guys have is cherry picking, that's no evidence.

I agree with Jonny. Assuming there is a conspiracy, the NHL has poorly chosen the supposed beneficiaries. The Leafs market is the biggest in the NHL and they haven't come out on top in years.

Also, consider the fever dream Bettman holds near and dear to his heart for a southern American hockey renaissance. Wouldn't that drive teams like Phoenix and Dallas further up the rigged standings?

Quoted from sentinelking

I agree with Jonny. Assuming there is a conspiracy, the NHL has poorly chosen the supposed beneficiaries. The Leafs market is the biggest in the NHL and they haven't come out on top in years.

Also, consider the fever dream Bettman holds near and dear to his heart for a southern American hockey renaissance. Wouldn't that drive teams like Phoenix and Dallas further up the rigged standings?

Agreed by the conspiracy logic Betteman would have had the Rangers or Islanders or Devils in every other cup final for TV ratings, as well Chicago wouldn't have been away from the playoffs for as long as they had been. It ain't fixed !

Quoted from sentinelking

I agree with Jonny. Assuming there is a conspiracy, the NHL has poorly chosen the supposed beneficiaries. The Leafs market is the biggest in the NHL and they haven't come out on top in years.

Also, consider the fever dream Bettman holds near and dear to his heart for a southern American hockey renaissance. Wouldn't that drive teams like Phoenix and Dallas further up the rigged standings?

Not true.

-Phoenix finished 4th in the west....that's huge for a team with nobody on it. Their best player is Doan, and he only had 54 points all season.........FIX FIX FIX

-Leafs already have a loyal fan base and tons of money, why give them a cup, until they have to?

-Pittsburgh almost lost their team...anyone remember "Ball-silly" trying to buy it?!?! Them miraculously they make the cup final one year, then win the cup the year after. The team is now worth triple, and never leaving Pittsburgh. Meanwhile NHL was trying as hard as they could to make Crosby the posterboy of the league, but "Mr. Badass" Ovechkin kept stealing his thunder....a cup was all Crosby needed to earn the poster for all the suckers who think he's better than Ovechkin.

-NHL is all about ratings....no one will tune in to watch Buffalo, Ottawa, NJ, Philly, etc, etc....in the finals, However, both Canada and USA will tune in for Chi. vs. Det. (a very long standing, and mega huge, rivalry). And they tuned-in in record totals for the Winter Classic between the two teams. Washington and Pittsburg....come on!!!! Crosby vs. Oveckin in the final 4....dream come true for the NHL!!!!!! People will be watching this all across Europe!!! NJ vs. Buff....meh who cares? Even people in those cities wont be watching...

So every time a big market team does well it's evidence of the conspiracy. Every time a smaller market team does well (Calgary vs Tampa?!), it's just the conspirators trying to hide the conspiracy. You can't lose! This is what we call an unfalsifiable theory.

Quoted from Hippochrome

...
-Leafs already have a loyal fan base and tons of money, why give them a cup, until they have to?
...

Are you serious? Do you know how much revenue is lost by not having the Leafs even make the playoffs?!

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Not true.

-Phoenix finished 4th in the west....that's huge for a team with nobody on it. Their best player is Doan, and he only had 54 points all season.........FIX FIX FIX

No their best player is the goalie they got for nothing from the Ducks.

Quoted from jonny_eh

So every time a big market team does well it's evidence of the conspiracy. Every time a smaller market team does well (Calgary vs Tampa?!), it's just the conspirators trying to hide the conspiracy. You can't lose! This is what we call an unfalsifiable theory.

Huh?!? Who said that? Whoever the NHL wants to win, wins.....If its Tampa, so be it. They needed a cup more then anyone back in the day. Look at them now? Same team, and consistently at the bottom of the league....but not leaving Tampa anymore.

The NHL weighs out who needs revenue (Leafs don't need revenue!!!!), and popularity to stay in the city, and pays off the refs accordingly so they get the results they want.

They are first, and foremost, trying to sell the game to the Southern USA and Europe....this was Bettman mandate when he was first brought in (sell the game to the States)...and he's been doing it ever since.

Quoted from Hippochrome

Huh?!? Who said that? Whoever the NHL wants to win, wins.....If its Tampa, so be it. They needed a cup more then anyone back in the day. Look at them now? Same team, and consistently at the bottom of the league....but not leaving Tampa anymore.

The NHL weighs out who needs revenue (Leafs don't need revenue!!!!), and popularity to stay in the city, and pays off the refs accordingly so they get the results they want.

It seems convenient that you can discover some 'reason' behind every success and failure of a team. You're seeing intention where none may exist. So  how can your theory be tested/falsified? Do you predict that the winner of the playoffs will be a team that hasn't won the cup in a while, and is about to go out of business? Is that what happened in the past 5 years?

How do you know what the NHL wants? You just figure out what the NHL wanted after the fact.

Quoted from jonny_eh

How do you know what the NHL wants? You just figure out what the NHL wanted after the fact.

Ive just predicted what the NHL wants.....duh Its the whole point of the thread!

Pit. vs. Was
Chi. vs. Det

final Chi. vs Was

And proof will be seen when Philly beats/upsets NJ, with the same refs who reffed Pittsburgh last year.....which in the end makes it so Pitt plays Was in the dream-come-true situation for the NHL....watch and see, my awesomeness at filtering through Bettmans B.S. league!

As the anti-fan of the Red Wings, I can say with complete conviction that you should never, ever, EVER, bet against them.

one thing that *IS* fixed is the location of the teams.  Sad to say, but I don't think Canada will ever see a new team for a long, long time (if ever).  

Quoted from machine.slave

one thing that *IS* fixed is the location of the teams.  Sad to say, but I don't think Canada will ever see a new team for a long, long time (if ever).  

Well, with the parity of the dollar, that might change, no? Wasn't a big obstacle the high player salaries due to paying all the players in US $?

Because of what happened to BEttman in the Phoenix fiasco; if there is such a thing as "fix", the coyotes are winning the cup this year.

Quoted from The Loafer

Because of what happened to BEttman in the Phoenix fiasco; if there is such a thing as "fix", the coyotes are winning the cup this year.

Desert Dogs will probably end up dust after the first round ... but what a season for that team

Just did a quick search for the "suspect refs"

-O'Halloran
-McCreary
-Devorski

Go figure, Devorski is reffing the Sens/Pens game right now....he's got a rookie ref teamed up with him (suspicious)...little new guy trying to get in good with Bettman maybe?

-Anyways, suspect calls right away against the Sens, leading to a PP goal by the Pens, surprise surprise!

-Sens battled back 11 shots to 4, and scored two goals

***Ready for this prediction****
Many more penalties against  the Sens....Pens win the game.

Sens and Pens are right up there as the worst offenders for penalties, they're 3rd (Pens) and 5th (Sens) out of all 16 Playoff teams by most regular season PIM! I expect each team to boucne back and forth with brutal penalty minutes each game. Your penalty argument...debunked.

Coaches Corner already call-out the diving on Talbot and coincidentally that was 2 power plays to Pittsburgh.

I didn't know Bettman chose the refs.   I would have thought that was a lottery or something.  

McCreary is my least favorite for sure.  

EIther way, one thing I like about the Sens and Clouston is he seems to have a strict rule that the players don't whine to the ref...

Did you see Crosby whine to the refs after the game? Gimme a break!  Great player, but he needs to cut that out. At least we don't hear is F bombs anymore, used to be worse.

Quoted from The Loafer

Did you see Crosby whine to the refs after the game? Gimme a break!  Great player, but he needs to cut that out. At least we don't hear is F bombs anymore, used to be worse.

He lives with Mario Lemieux, who was the greatest whiner the NHL ever had. I always HATED Lemieux as a player for that, especially when he was 6-4 and 225lbs. I see crosby and he is the same. I think he is completely full of mess. He smiles great for the camera but cries like a baby when someone even touches him. I can't wait until Ruutu makes him go completely nuts...

As much as I don't like Ovechkin's dirty playing sometimes, I like him better... if you hit him, he hits you back even harder.

Quoted from Sparky

As much as I don't like Ovechkin's dirty playing sometimes, I like him better... if you hit him, he hits you back even harder.

Imagine if Ovechkin grew up in Brampton...

Quoted from Tuborg

Imagine if Ovechkin grew up in Brampton...

Imagine Crosby grew up in Russia........

refs Bah!!!

Predictions:
      Sens will win the series
      Tonight: Montreal 5 Washington 3   GO HABS GO !!!

Quoted from tom_454

Predictions:
      Sens will win the series
      Tonight: Montreal 5 Washington 3   GO HABS GO !!!

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Ha, wow. Narconon is a veiled front for Scientology, amazing. Sorry for the derailing, I just had to say that.

Quoted from tom_454

refs Bah!!!

Predictions:
      Sens will win the series
      Tonight: Montreal 5 Washington 3   GO HABS GO !!!

Nope... I have a feeling the Caps will take it tonight, but we will take the second one in Washington.

But... then again, I do have 5 bucks on 400:1 odds that the Habs take it in 4. That would be sweet.

Quoted from Sparky

Nope... I have a feeling the Caps will take it tonight, but we will take the second one in Washington.

But... then again, I do have 5 bucks on 400:1 odds that the Habs take it in 4. That would be sweet.

Habs are gonna get blown out 10-0 tonight and choose forfeit the rest of the series.........oh wait this is the Montreal Arcade and Amusement Collectors Association .....

Uh, Habs are going to sweep the Caps....now can someone in Montreal please get me out of some unpaid "Quebec" parking tickets ........jk

Oops!  I was the one who posted that.  I googled 'drug rehab' and came up with that.  Just goes to show that Scientologists have Google in their back pocket... another conspiracy!

Quoted from jonny_eh

Ha, wow. Narconon is a veiled front for Scientology, amazing. Sorry for the derailing, I just had to say that.

Quoted from McMean

Oops!  I was the one who posted that.  I googled 'drug rehab' and came up with that.  Just goes to show that Scientologists have Google in their back pocket... another conspiracy!

Maybe Bettman is a Scientologist.....hmmmmm? And Maybe he only lets other Scientogists into his private "owners group". Ah ha! Thats why Ball-silly couldn't get a team.

p.s. If Tom Cruise or Jon Travolta get a hockey team...we here on MAACA now know the "real" story behind NHL ownership!

Quoted from sentinelking

I agree with Jonny. Assuming there is a conspiracy, the NHL has poorly chosen the supposed beneficiaries. The Leafs market is the biggest in the NHL and they haven't come out on top in years.

Also, consider the fever dream Bettman holds near and dear to his heart for a southern American hockey renaissance. Wouldn't that drive teams like Phoenix and Dallas further up the rigged standings?

Actually forget about Dallas and Phoenix ... the Trashers are owned/were owned by one the wealthest TV moguls around ... and yet they have never ..... ever .... had any success in the playoffs .. If the  tiny perfect commissioner was fixing things this franchise would be a dyansty and on TBS every game, instead they are nearly bankrupt and looking to move (albight to a hockey hotbed like Kansas City / Portland or Las Vegas)

Quoted from SquidVicious

the Trashers are owned/were owned by one the wealthest TV moguls around ... and yet they have never ..... ever .... had any success in the playoffs .. If the  tiny perfect commissioner was fixing things this franchise would be a dyansty and on TBS every game, instead they are nearly bankrupt and looking to move (albight to a hockey hotbed like Kansas City / Portland or Las Vegas)

Funny that as soon as they were owned be the NHL they started doing well, and even made the playoffs....hmmmm

Quoted from Hippochrome

Funny that as soon as they were owned be the NHL they started doing well, and even made the playoffs....hmmmm

But they are bleeeeeeeding money big time and they aren't doing well .. they missed the playoffs yet again and they sold the only grade A player they had

OK... now I am not writing this because I am a Habs fan, but tonight's game just reinforced the theory that it is fixed.

1- Washington was tripping and cross-checking all game... not all calls were made.
2- I saw 2 bullshit penalties for tripping and breaking sticks against the Habs
3- Caps were hitting Halak like crazy... nothing.

and the kicker...

4- Pouliot rushes the goal with a Caps player on each side. Caps can't contain him so they trip him and drag him down right towards the net. Varlamov is completely out of position and the puck, now on Gionta's stick, shoots it in, but Pouliot, dragged by the 2 Caps players knock the goal off.

If you look at the sequence, you see clearly the Caps player on the right of Pouliot, falling and moving himself right in front of Pouliot's skates in order to trip him. Possible penalty shot.

AND... there is a rule in the NHL that stipulates that if in the circumstance that a goal would have inevitably been scored if the net was i place, the goal should be awarded.

No penalty shot.

No penalty.

No goal.

Pure bullshit. The NHL wants their precious Ovechkin in the second round...

Quoted from Hippochrome

Just did a quick search for the "suspect refs"

-O'Halloran
-McCreary
-Devorski

Go figure, Devorski is reffing the Sens/Pens game right now....he's got a rookie ref teamed up with him (suspicious)...little new guy trying to get in good with Bettman maybe?

-Anyways, suspect calls right away against the Sens, leading to a PP goal by the Pens, surprise surprise!

-Sens battled back 11 shots to 4, and scored two goals

***Ready for this prediction****
Many more penalties against  the Sens....Pens win the game.

... and just for fun, guess who reffed the Habs/Caps game tonight...

O'Halloran and Devorski.

Well, if the NHL being fixed is the price I pay for not seeing the Habs advance, then... so be it!  Fix away!  Go 'Whoever' the NHL wants to win!  

I hate the Habs like a canker sore... but even I'd admit the game I just watched didn't have such great reffing... mostly around the goalie interference stuff.

Quoted from Sparky

OK... now I am not writing this because I am a Habs fan, but tonight's game just reinforced the theory that it is fixed.

1- Washington was tripping and cross-checking all game... not all calls were made.
2- I saw 2 bullshit penalties for tripping and breaking sticks against the Habs
3- Caps were hitting Halak like crazy... nothing.

and the kicker...

4- Pouliot rushes the goal with a Caps player on each side. Caps can't contain him so they trip him and drag him down right towards the net. Varlamov is completely out of position and the puck, now on Gionta's stick, shoots it in, but Pouliot, dragged by the 2 Caps players knock the goal off.

If you look at the sequence, you see clearly the Caps player on the right of Pouliot, falling and moving himself right in front of Pouliot's skates in order to trip him. Possible penalty shot.

AND... there is a rule in the NHL that stipulates that if in the circumstance that a goal would have inevitably been scored if the net was i place, the goal should be awarded.

No penalty shot.

No penalty.

No goal.

Pure bullshit. The NHL wants their precious Ovechkin in the second round...

Quoted from McMean

Well, if the NHL being fixed is the price I pay for not seeing the Habs advance, then... so be it!  Fix away!  Go 'Whoever' the NHL wants to win!  

I hate the Habs like a canker sore... but even I'd admit the game I just watched didn't have such great reffing... mostly around the goalie interference stuff.

Habs or not, all of hockey suffers with this bullshit. They should rename the league the NHE, National Hockey Entertainment... like they did with wrestling.

Frickin Ice Capades with body checks.

Quoted from Sparky

... and just for fun, guess who reffed the Habs/Caps game tonight...

O'Halloran and Devorski.

And guess who reffed the last Pengiuns game (which they won) and was a total nut show by the Pens.....McCreary

So many penalties should have been called by on the Pens. Heck even a few possible suspensions. However, all the talk was "will  Sens player Sutton get suspended for his clean hit"

Funny thing is the commentators on The TEAM radio show even mentioned a reffing problem with the other ref (Walsh)
"Now Walsh has a *long history* of not calling blatant penalties when they happen to the Senators players"

I almost fell out of my chair when I heard them say that (I was driving to a friends house while the game was on).......Guess I'll be seeing Walsh for the rest of the Pens/Sens series. Or they will ship O'Halloran and Devorski over to these games, and send McCreary and Walsh(or some rookie ref) over to the MTL/WAS game. NHL is SAD

Who's the ref's tonight Hippo?

Already Ottawa has momentum and they call Kelly on a light roughing call?   Immediately after killing it Fisher is upended on a rush and no call.  

I call BullSh*t on the NHL!!

Don Cherry's all but calling it out, too.   Another Coach's Corner highlighting the bad calls against the Sens regarding the Kelly roughing call....

Too Many Men Penalty:  You can read Clouston's mouth to the linesman in the 3rd - F-OFF!

Sutton's Hooking - WTF

No delay of game penalty on Penguins when shooting over glass - WTF

Horrible!

The refs are sucking big time.  I was at the Sens game last night and it is the first time in a long time that the fans actually got really worked up over the calls.  They were chanting "Refs suck" and "Bull$%#^".  Some many missed calls.  It also seems like there is a rule that no one is allowed to touch Crosby.  I see the NHL setting this up to be a showdown between the Caps and the Pens in the east.  Talk about a revenue cow. And since the NHL is supporting a number of US teams, I can see why they need the money.  Cherry and others are calling out the refs for their favourtism and suspicious calls. Just look at the Lidstrom play from the bench and he didn't get called on it.

Sens will be done on Thursday.  I just don't want to see Crosby win again.  I am fine with the cup going to the Caps.

I believe this has to be the worst playoffs ever. I wholeheartedly agree that the Habs were outclassed by the Caps, but it is getting so damn obvious that the NHL want a Crosby/Ovechkin confrontation. It just screams out. I watched some of the Ottawa game and I just shut it off after a while. It just turned me completely off. And to be honest, even if it was the other way, with the Sens and Habs being advantaged, I would still feel the same way.

And everybody is talking about it. Even out of Ottawa and Montreal. A friend of mine in NY, who is a newbie-fan of hockey, even noticed the missed calls.

Agree with you completely, Sparky.  It is pretty disgraceful.

Quoted from Hippochrome

watch and see, my awesomeness at filtering through Bettmans B.S. league!

Yeah that's right...I just quoted myself

Although I hate to think about conspiracy theory's... think back to leafs and kings....and the infamous high stick noncall... sigh

i havent got a chance to watch any playoff games yet... been to busy... and the highlights fail to show the "whole story"

i still will refuse to think the nhl is rigged until the leafs win the cup

Quoted from BIGWIG416

...i still will refuse to think the nhl is rigged until the leafs win the cup

The Leafs don't have to win the cup, or even make the playoffs. Toronto is the only city in which fans will still fill up an arena completely even though the team is complete shyte.

Actually... strike that... Boston and Montreal are almost the same. Harry Sinden (long-time Boston GM) had the perfect business plan. Give the fans 3-4 years of complete garbage on the ice, and then when you see the fans have had enough and are about to leave, invest a bit of money and give them a team that will win a couple of playoff rounds. Then the fans are happy again so you have the green light to penny-pinch for another 3-4 years.

Mind you, the Habs are like that since the Nordiques left... and since there is no other hot-rivalry team to make them look bad, they don't try too hard.

But come on Toronto fans... 43 years of almost being laughed at... after this last stretch, I would have burned all memorabilia I would own.  

Not being able to touch a star player isn't new, ever hear of a lad named Gretzky?

There will always be 'missed calls' in a game, the game would come to a stop if everything was called.  And if you think the refereeing was the fall of the Sens, then how do you explain the SHG?  At some point you need to look at the players on the ice, in particular an average at best goaltender.

In no way am I blaming the fall of the Sens in the playoffs on the officials. That would be pretty short sighted. What I have noticed in all games and not just the Sens series, is a general lack of consistency. Sure they can't see everything but in several cases the penalty happened right in from of them and they sill managed to miss it.  At the end of the day all I want is consistency regardless of who walks away with Lord Stanley.  

lol ... damn leafs... they have brainwashed me or something cause I will always cheer them on... dont get me wrong I like a few other teams... but i'll never get off the toronto wagon

Quoted from QN

There will always be 'missed calls' in a game, the game would come to a stop if everything was called.  And if you think the refereeing was the fall of the Sens, then how do you explain the SHG?  At some point you need to look at the players on the ice, in particular an average at best goaltender.

Shots were Pens 42, Sens 30

So by NHL stats (1 goal for every 10 shots) the game should have been about 4-3. Yeah Sens would have lost anyways based on that.....but come on.

The calls/lack of calls were brutal....How can the Sens get anymore shots when they are in the box the whole game? Plus, (more stats for you) A goal is scored every 20min in a 5 on 5 game. However, that stat changes to a goal every 5min when a team is a man down.....big difference!

You can't get consistency at that level when dealing with individual perception, especially with the speed of the game.  My kids play hockey, at even at that turtle pace half of the crowd will call a penalty or offside while the rest think it's ok.  Now increase the speed about 100 times and make them guess again.

I was watching part of the game last night, when Crosby went in on a partial break, didn't get a shot off and complained that he was slashed in the hand.  I actually thought he was faking it to draw a penalty, but rewinding and in slo-mo, sure enough he was slashed.  No call.

There are other events, the Lidstrom non-call for example, that was just a blown call, I'm sure the refs/linesmen would agree after the fact.  It happens.

I'd like to see that Lidstrom non-clal - anyone have a link?

As much as the coach/players can complain (without getting fined) is this article:
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Playoffs/Ottawa/2010/04/20/13659891.html

Stats?  Ok.

Reg season, avg shots on goal:
Pitt: 32.8 (4th overall)
Ott: 29.7 (18th overall)

5-5 Goals for/against:
Pitt: 1.07 (9th overall)
Ott: 0.88 (26th overall)

Before the game got out of hand, the penalties were 7 for Pit, 8 for Ott.  So Pit has an extra 2 mins man advantage, by your stats that's an extra 0.4 of a goal.  How do you account for the other 2.6 goals?  

Lidstrom link

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=765559

Quoted from QN

Stats?  Ok.

Reg season, avg shots on goal:
Pitt: 32.8 (4th overall)
Ott: 29.7 (18th overall)

5-5 Goals for/against:
Pitt: 1.07 (9th overall)
Ott: 0.88 (26th overall)

Before the game got out of hand, the penalties were 7 for Pit, 8 for Ott.  So Pit has an extra 2 mins man advantage, by your stats that's an extra 0.4 of a goal.  How do you account for the other 2.6 goals?  

Its all about when penalties are/arn't called...stats don't show the moments when the teams are just starting to battle back, get a goal, change the momentum of the game, then get a B.S. call against them. The whole game changes at that moment.
Later on, when nothing is happening, the refs will call a "make up" penalty against their favorite team. So, in the end they can justify that the amount of calls where "even".

Speaking to the "yeah, but in my kids peewee games, calls are missed all the time". Yeah, I'm sure they are...but this is the NHL! The best of the best in the reffing profession. Not only that, but this is the playoffs in the NHL. These are the best refs of all the refs in the league. There is no excuse for the pitiful job they are doing right now. Well, there is one excuse....its fixed/rigged

Quoted from QN

Stats?  Ok.

Reg season, avg shots on goal:
Pitt: 32.8 (4th overall)
Ott: 29.7 (18th overall)

5-5 Goals for/against:
Pitt: 1.07 (9th overall)
Ott: 0.88 (26th overall)

Before the game got out of hand, the penalties were 7 for Pit, 8 for Ott.  So Pit has an extra 2 mins man advantage, by your stats that's an extra 0.4 of a goal.  How do you account for the other 2.6 goals?  

You can't look at just the total penalties.   Its the calls and the momentum changing aspect of the calls.   Case in point, the first penalty against Kelly.   It was an after the whistle face-wash kinda roughing penalty.   Sen's had the momentum and this pathetic call stopped the momentum and pens scored.   Now Ottawa is behind and must adapt.   There were so many non-calls / bad-calls going against the Sens, that the Sens have to defend differently.   Watch clips of Foligno trying to skate with the puck, he's hacked, hooked, chooped and no calls.  

Its an opinion obviously.   Are the Pens a better team?   Sure, 100% agree.   Does the NHL or referring somehow help ensure the Pens success?   I'm not convinced 100%, but I would say, that beyond a reasonable doubt the NHL influences the outcome.

Ok, so Kelly takes a penalty, they lose momentum.  Four minutes later, they take another penalty and get scored on.  So it that second penalty a direct result of a penalty 6 minutes ago?  Never mind that there is now an intermission, 20 minutes to stop play, does Pit still have momentum?  They must, because they score 3 more goals before the next penalty.

It's the same crap you heard down here when the Leafs (all the way back then) were in the playoffs ... refs out to get us ... crap ... are some officals better than others ... sure ... do they miss calls .. yep ... for both sides ... could there be some bias .. for sure but those on the short end (like the leafs fans) always come up with a reason that they aren't getting a fair shake (and yes I'm a leaf fan but leaf FANS make me ill)

Quoted from SquidVicious

It's the same crap you heard down here when the Leafs (all the way back then) were in the playoffs ... refs out to get us ... crap ... are some officals better than others ... sure ... do they miss calls .. yep ... for both sides ... could there be some bias .. for sure but those on the short end (like the leafs fans) always come up with a reason that they aren't getting a fair shake (and yes I'm a leaf fan but leaf FANS make me ill)

Meh....your missing the point. Everyone in Ottawa/The World knew that the Sens would not get past the Pens in the playoffs. No sour grapes on that one.

Its sour grapes on the poor/suspect calls league wide.

Quoted from Hippochrome

Meh....your missing the point. Everyone in Ottawa/The World knew that the Sens would not get past the Pens in the playoffs. No sour grapes on that one.

Its sour grapes on the poor/suspect calls league wide.

But that has gone on forever ... not just this year ... back in 92/93 ... back in the 80's .. forever that is the point ...

and if you know that the Sens weren't going to win what does it matter ??

If you want to post which refs are decent before a game that is one thing but in hind site and with the natural bias that everyone has of course the big bad refs are out to get you or they are ruining the game. In the playoffs their screwups are highlighted to a much larger extent and because it is win or done that leads to all this conspiracy crapola, I don't think I've heard many if any fans from a winning team go on and on about the hack officals ..

Quoted from SquidVicious

I don't think I've heard many if any fans from a winning team go on and on about the hack officals ..

I'm a Philly fan ....and they shouldn't be winning

Quoted from QN

Lidstrom link

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=765559

Thanks - that's priceless!

Guilty? Yeah....sounds pretty guilty to me. !

http://www2.tsn.ca/window/NHLPlayoffs2010/video_player.aspx
(this seems to bring you to the highlights of the Van/LA game)

Try the video with the pic of Bettman, in the 2nd bar of videos, called "facing the critics"

Guilty?  No.  Embarrassed?  Yes.

You can have complete confidence in the integrity of the people making the decisions, but also think that they are complete idiots.

Quoted from QN

Guilty?  No.  Embarrassed?  Yes.

You can have complete confidence in the integrity of the people making the decisions, but also think that they are complete idiots.

I don't have confidence in the integrity of the people making the decisions...I'm not sure they're idiots...they're just slimy businessmen trying to sell a product.

Don't get me wrong, I agree, Bettman is a slimy man, don't care for him at all.  What I meant though was that he can say that he is confident in the integrity of the people.  What he can't say is that he thinks they're idiots for blowing the call.

Quoted from QN

Don't get me wrong, I agree, Bettman is a slimy man, don't care for him at all.  What I meant though was that he can say that he is confident in the integrity of the people.  What he can't say is that he thinks they're idiots for blowing the call.

No, I get it...I'm saying I question the integrity of all of them....Bettman, and the crooked refs that are in his pocket.

OK - How do expalin Ruutu's 2 penalties toonight, or the penalty on Fisher, of the Campolie penalty (where McGee drops his stick)???

Coincidently most were at the start of the period or when Ottawa was turning it on -> momentum changers...

Beating a dead horse, sorry...

Quoted from Tuborg

OK - How do expalin Ruutu's 2 penalties toonight, or the penalty on Fisher, of the Campolie penalty (where McGee drops his stick)???

Coincidently most were at the start of the period or when Ottawa was turning it on -> momentum changers...

Beating a dead horse, sorry...

Kicked in....Ha! B.S.
Watch, now the Sens will get a penalty, and the Pens will score

Here comes a Penguin goal.  Stupid refs

Quoted from Tuborg

OK - How do expalin Ruutu's 2 penalties toonight, or the penalty on Fisher, of the Campolie penalty (where McGee drops his stick)???

Coincidently most were at the start of the period or when Ottawa was turning it on -> momentum changers...

Beating a dead horse, sorry...

[2nd OT intermission...]

Should be 6-3 for Ottawa by now...

The OT goal should have been good,
and the Pens should have had a tripping penalty on that Sens breakaway.

It's getting harder not to believe this conspiracy theory...

Kick some a** Sens !

Steph

Quoted from Steph

[2nd OT intermission...]

Should be 6-3 for Ottawa by now...

The OT goal should have been good,
and the Pens should have had a tripping penalty on that Sens breakaway.

It's getting harder not to believe this conspiracy theory...

Kick some a** Sens !

Steph

You hear Don Cherry trying to bite his tongue on the whole thing! AND the videos from the league showing whats a legal goal....PRICELESS!
CBC is going to get a nasty phone call from Bettman. Hopefully Ron MacLean doesn't lose his job.

I wish someone would score, I WANT TO GO TO BED!

Good thng tomorrow is Friday. I will be exhausted. Score Sens please.

bed time!

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA   BABY  !!!!!!!!



Thank you,  good night ....


Steph

GO SENS GO!!!!!!

YABBA DABBA DOOO!

Quoted from Hippochrome

Watch, now the Sens will get a penalty, and the Pens will score

Nice to be wrong!
Go Pascal Leclaire. You won that game buddy!!!!!

Are we letting this thread sleep?

Pitts won for sure, but I would like to see a replay on the Volchenkov penalty early in the 3rd...(that call just seemed weak in a Game 6 game...)

Some weak calls going against Phoenix tonight in game 7 against Detroit...

I guess if you are the chosen team, you just need to ensure you knock the net off, ...

Well, sure some calls didn't go the Sens way, and I'm a die hard Sens fan, but that Pens goal that was refused? That was a good goal, so even if several went the Penguins way, some went Ottawa's way too.  As someone else states lately (on the team 1200 I think), this is an issue more of "incompetence", not a fix.

Quoted from Tuborg

Are we letting this thread sleep?

We'll see after tonight's game...There is no way the NHL will let Mtl. win tonight. Everyone who lives in Mtl. better board up their windows, because there's gonna be a riot when the refs make the Habs lose

I would think that if it were fixed we would have seen Phoenix move on... what a great 'feel good' story that would have been for ol' Gary to have.