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Another reason for hating Apple? Open Source THEFT. We're not talking "Oops we used it and didn't share", they have flagrant disregard for open source licensing.
Hell OSX may now be based on the MACH Kernel, but previous Apple OS' were not, they used a pretty plain BSD Kernel and nothing was shared, even though the majority of their work...wasn't even their work. Even now they're still thieves, just not to the same degree.

People have thought for how long that Microsoft was "Evil"? No, Apple has been the evil one all along, they just disguise it with queer little locked down gadgets that the average person buys becasue they're "Cool", and sell an OS for PC's (They're PCs FFS! Not Macs! Macs died when they dropped PPC arch) that's locked to hardware they decide you are allowed to use and pay 2x as much for had you bought a PC, for the exact same hardware.

F**K Apple!


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Another reason for hating Apple? Open Source THEFT. We're not talking "Oops we used it and didn't share", they have flagrant disregard for open source licensing.
Hell OSX may now be based on the MACH Kernel, but previous Apple OS' were not, they used a pretty plain BSD Kernel and nothing was shared, even though the majority of their work...wasn't even their work. Even now they're still thieves, just not to the same degree.

People have thought for how long that Microsoft was "Evil"? No, Apple has been the evil one all along, they just disguise it with queer little locked down gadgets that the average person buys becasue they're "Cool", and sell an OS for PC's (They're PCs FFS! Not Macs! Macs died when they dropped PPC arch) that's locked to hardware they decide you are allowed to use and pay 2x as much for had you bought a PC, for the exact same hardware.

F**K Apple!



Agree, but we all quickly forget that Linux and the kernels are all pirates of the official Unix.    So Apple just continued the tradition of stealing....
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Agree, but we all quickly forget that Linux and the kernels are all pirates of the official Unix.    So Apple just continued the tradition of stealing....


There's no forgetting, most are open source and 100% of their code is freely available. The ones that aren't (ie; Red Hat) often have offshoots where their source is shared (see; Fedora). It's only stealing from the Open Source community, when you take what others create, modify it and give NOTHING back. *cough* Apple *cough*


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-I'm not anti apple, I just think this product sucks, and will seriously effect Apple's shares on the global market...they are only inflated to this price because of the hype around the upcomming new apple product. Anyone remember the hype that preceded The Segway???

-Just because Apple hit homeruns with the iphone, and ipod, its flawed to argue that the ipad is going to be an automatic hit....
(homerun, hit...get it....pretty witty, eh?)  

-If you're waiting for the price to drop....your going to be waiting a very very long time. Watch the promo video on apple.com. The Apple guy says that they are "specifically starting with a low price to get the product in the hands of everyone"

-I agree that this is much cooler then a netbook, but I dunno...I can get one of those for less then $200(on sale), and can spend the other $300 on other fun stuff like pinball and stocks in RIM


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yeah gonna get myself one!

funny when people say apple steal from others, when in fact its the other way around...

best operating system in the world hands down!
best concept, looks, no doubt! no viruses, no freezing (blue screen of death)
most people say bad things about apple, thats because they never own one, or had any real experience with it!
you can drive a lada until you try a porche.
sure the ipad is a little expensive, its a gadget.

yep a like apple, was always on apple all my life and will never change for a half working windooooow...

hey thats just my opinion!
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There's no forgetting, most are open source and 100% of their code is freely available. The ones that aren't (ie; Red Hat) often have offshoots where their source is shared (see; Fedora). It's only stealing from the Open Source community, when you take what others create, modify it and give NOTHING back. *cough* Apple *cough*


Yeah, but this great open source OS called Linux came from a guy whose dream was to copy everything that Unix had to offer, but make it free.   If I were a company that owned a lot of patented and protected intellectual property I would be pissed.   Yet, in the software world the courts did not defend Unix.  

I'm by no means an expert, but I just find it funny how Linux can openly claim to want to be the free Unix and have identical syntax and operation and was not stopped in the courts.

Yet in pinball there's many examples of patents protecting Bally, Williams and Stern IPR, with some wacky Australian guy sending cease & desist threats to hobbyists making unique parts for machines that are 10+ years old.   I guess many examples of plagiarism, too...

I love Linux use it everyday @ home & work - free is good, but Linux did f-up a good company.
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Quoted from Wikipedia
AT&T made Unix available to universities and commercial firms, as well as the United States government under licenses. The licenses included all source code including the machine-dependent parts of the kernel, which were written in PDP-11 assembly code. Copies of the annotated Unix kernel sources circulated widely in the late 1970s in the form of a much-copied book by John Lions of the University of New South Wales, the Lions' Commentary on UNIX 6th Edition, with Source Code, which led to considerable use of Unix as an educational example.


There's more to it than that, but Unix was never a closed source private project. It was started in spare time by some BL employees, and got backing from BL and AT&T in exchange for those employees implementing some of their work into other projects. It came about from a prior project, with the use of hardware from that project that was abandoned.

None of that original work, was patented by the companies that could have actually claimed ownership of it. It wound up spread around, modified and shared again. Hmmm sound familiar?
BSD was born when AT&T decided Unix was commercially viable, and switched to a commercial license. At that point, prior "Open Source" code...was still Public Domain, and well....the rest is history.


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Now now...I played 4 years of football in high school on the offensive line and I hide my inner nerd for the most part. I prefer the term "Geek"!
I lack the glasses, pocket protector and lack of muscle mass to qualify for "Nerd".


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