BTW I agree with the stupid mentality people get during the world cup. I should be mad that those hand-ball cheats France got in and Ireland didn't. It's just a game, and people get so worked up and go insane over it for the dumbest reasons.

Oh and Daniel....CFL blows, I played CFL rules ball for 4 years, it's a**.

Quoted from Hippochrome

Watch an interview or two with him...the one when he brings his Addams Family to the morning talk show. He says that he doesn't nudge. He captures the ball, and aims his shots.

Yes the old bar machines were all about nudging...then Harry Williams added "tilt" to stop the cheaters. Since then cheaters just kept on nudging, but in moderation.

Keep your $20...we all know your a excellent pinball player...practice practice practice   

BS

A - I've watched the man play, he nudges, he has it down to an exact science.  While it's not as gratuitous as some people he defiantly nudges
B - I think I've seen that video and I don't remember him at all saying he never nudges.

By that logic if Williams thought it was cheating, then why didn't he make it so that it was an automatic thing rather then an adjustable feature.  Tits are always adjustable to make the tilt more or less sensitive.  It was implemented to stop people from picking the machine up and bringing the ball back into play, the whole reason it's adjustable is to ALLOW the player some leeway when it comes to nudging.  

I honestly wonder if you believe the crap that comes out of your mouth or your just playing Devils advocate, first it's the NHL is fixed and now it's pinball has no skill, you are either nuts or just trying to be a sh!t disturber.  

Quoted from Vengeance

I honestly wonder......  

Watch the video again....it happened, he said it, deal with it!

Man you get aggressive over fun debates...relax....I now see why you have so many conflicts on this site. My opinion is this, that, and the other thing. Feel free to disagree...but seriously, do you need to make personal attacks in every response?

i.e. "Do you even play pinball, or do you just look at the pretty colors??"
      "Oh wait I forgot you don't actually play pinball you stand there and chimp away and get distracted by the pretty colors"
      "Stop talking out your a$$"
      "I honestly wonder if you believe the crap that comes out of your mouth"
       "you are either nuts or just trying to be a sh!t disturber"  

p.s I have the Pinball 101 DVD.....Its whole purpose is to teach "ANYONE" to be a Pinball Wizard. Just learn these simple tricks and you can beat the best, etc, etc, etc.

p.p.s. New bet for $20....I'll get a monkey, heck even a chimp for arguments sake, make them watch the Pinball 101 video, and then practice practice practice. Then watch that primate "sure play a mean pinball"!

Actually I think they really refined tilt systems to be even a bigger part of the gameplay with counts and warnings. It really is very much part of the game particularly when they have warnings so the bob can be set to occaisionally make contact letting the player know his limits.

Look at a game like Dr. Dude, one of the awards from the saucer is "Add 1 or 2 (I forget) Tilt Warnings!" Tell me it is not supposed to be nudged when they award more Tilt Warnings!

Dave

Quoted from pins only

Look at a game like Dr. Dude, one of the awards from the saucer is "Add 1 or 2 (I forget) Tilt Warnings!" Tell me it is not supposed to be nudged when they award more Tilt Warnings!

Dave

That's cool. Never seen that type of award on a pinball.

Quoted from pins only

Look at a game like Dr. Dude, one of the awards from the saucer is "Add 1 or 2 (I forget) Tilt Warnings!" Tell me it is not supposed to be nudged when they award more Tilt Warnings!

Dave

Exactly. I guess my only complaint would be when someone sets a machine that you can't breath on it or it will tilt. To me this is nonsense even if it is under the guise of "tournament play". F' "tournament play" the game was made to be nudged and if your ADD is too acute that you can't sit through a tournament with reasonable machine settings, get the hell out and try Parcheesi instead.

I'm going to be a devil's advocate for a second, but didn't the Rocky and Bullwinkle game reward bang backs? Aren't those considered cheating?

My true thoughts: I think nudging is indeed quite an important part of pinball, that's why the video game simulations almost always include it. I'm not very good at nudging, but I've been practicing it more the last couple months and have gotten a lot better. It isn't cheating if it's available to everyone.

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Tits are always adjustable to make the tilt more or less sensitive.

My mind is in the gutter yet once again!

Quoted from jonny_eh

I'm going to be a devil's advocate for a second, but didn't the Rocky and Bullwinkle game reward bang backs? Aren't those considered cheating?

I think it is Tales From the Crypt that, if you go through the outlane, then score points off anything, the DMD has a great animation and says something like "Great Death Save" It is very cool and also supports the fact that Nudging is allowed and maybe even Death Saves too!

Dave

Quoted from ken_cinder

IMAGE DELETED because poster is a Douche

BTW I agree with the stupid mentality people get during the world cup. I should be mad that those hand-ball cheats France got in and Ireland didn't. It's just a game, and people get so worked up and go insane over it for the dumbest reasons.

Oh and Daniel....CFL blows, I played CFL rules ball for 4 years, it's a**.

You know what Ken, I have sat back for about 6 months constantly watching and reading your posts, thinking to myself this guy is a bit of a douche; always has something to say, usually negative, or with chest puffed feathers fully extended.  Sometimes I think trying to funny but usually failing large for the most part.

That said I have ignored it, because hey I am an a**hole too from time to time. But I need to call you out as a douche now. Sorry

Your a douche that is all