so it turns out my gf's parents own a pin, and a slot machine.. how cool is that?? looks like i picked the right one

problem is they don't work so well..
I have some pictures, but most of it is what i was able to get from a 10minutes of playing around with stuff.

let's start with the firepower..




now the main problem with this is the fact that it doesn't always boot. the images taken above the game is frozen prior to it hitting attract mode. the numbers seem to be some sort of error code or something.. but from what I have been able to read here. after a few turn off/on the game works of..

http://pinball.flippers.info/system6resources.asp
look under the MPU part

it might just be a battery issue.. now what is the chance of those batteries leaking?

next up is the fact that triangle thing over the left flipper doesn't work.. there's no kick when the ball hit is like the right one.. if just rolls off to the flipper instead of flying off.. my guess this is either the switches that died or the solenoid that died? isn't what where a solenoid is? this thing has not been working for at least 5 years

anyway i looked inside that thing and it was a wire-y mess.. looks to me like a lot of those things are leaf switches.. is it a good idea to either replace new leafs or put in microswitches? Also some of the bullseye type marks that you need to hit seems to give off a bigger "clank" than the ones next to them. is that an indication of a broken spring of something?

from what i can tell, there has been some work done to the power supply. some of the capacitors have been changed, if that means anything.


on to the slot machine.. it's a small tabletop one.





I don't know if there is people around here that know much about these or not.. if accepts coins, and give you credits. when you press the roll button. you hear the sound of the rollers roller, but the rollers don't roll.
you also cannot stop the rollers (or pretend to) by pressing the stop buttons for every roller.. my guess probably because the rollers don't actually roll..

on the inside picture on the left hand side there are 3 connectors. there is nothing there.. anybody know if there is supposed to be something there? would that be something for the coin out?

and last but not least.. there are 2 chips which are burnt,on top of the right and middle roller when the door is closed.. i'm not sure it it corresponds to those rollers or not.. I'm certain those would need to be replaced.. All the switches are also soldered.. so i'm going to be replacing the microswitches with quickconnects.

anybody else have any ideas?



K, i posted this a few days ago in another forum.. i'm reading through all of Marving concerning the Firepower, batteries really seem to be the culprit at this time.. obviously there are lots of touch ups needed... i'm going to have and recoat the playfield.

i'm really wondering about the slot machine..
I know both these machines were serviced by Laniel at some point..

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it might just be a battery issue.. now what is the chance of those batteries leaking?

big ... so open it up, and look at the batteries AND the battery older. if they are green or look anything like THIS, you need to change the battery holder ( 5 $ and a 5 minute job ...)

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next up is the fact that triangle thing over the left flipper doesn't work..

You're a vid guy right ?    .. that's the SLINGSHOTS and it could be a bunch of things : - switch not making contact, wire unsoldered from : -switch, coil, connector on the board.

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anyway i looked inside that thing and it was a wire-y mess.. looks to me like a lot of those things are leaf switches.. is it a good idea to either replace new leafs or put in microswitches?

you should not have to replace ANY of them. Don't go there !

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Also some of the bullseye type marks that you need to hit

The targets!

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seems to give off a bigger "clank" than the ones next to them. is that an indication of a broken spring of something?

nha ...

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from what i can tell, there has been some work done to the power supply. some of the capacitors have been changed, if that means anything.

could be good, could be bad

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i'm reading through all of Marving concerning the Firepower, batteries really seem to be the culprit at this time.. obviously there are lots of touch ups needed... i'm going to have and recoat the playfield.

so you've got your work cut out for ya ! ...
ps: DONT FORGET THE GIRLFRIEND !  

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I know both these machines were serviced by Laniel at some point..

LOT better then Allouette!

Did we not provide enough useful information for you on CGCC? If you read through the links we gave you regarding your Firepower, you shouldn't have any trouble fixing up that machine. I'm not sure you'll get better answers than have already been provided.

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Did we not provide enough useful information for you on CGCC? If you read through the links we gave you regarding your Firepower, you shouldn't have any trouble fixing up that machine. I'm not sure you'll get better answers than have already been provided.

yeah i was mostly looking for info about that slot machine, but it was faster to just copy the whole thing down and add the little blurp at the end. I'm fully confident the info you provided is good. i didn't do that to offend you or anything, just checking all the avenues on ideas since I seriously have no idea what i'm doing..

Since I don't recognize the slot machine, and it has stop or hold feature buttons, it's likely an import form the UK (a Fruit Machine), though some old Bally Slots had a "Draw" feature.  Does the slot have any identifying marks or numbers to go from?

I can't absolutely tell from the image, but it looks like it might be missing a hopper (where the coins come out).  In my past run-ins with Quebec "club" slots, the hoppers are often missing.  In order to get around the gaming laws, many slots appear to have been modified to play but not pay out  (on the theory that the bar owners paid out in drinks or via cash from the bar - funny that they do that to stay legal when in fact owning anything that "looks" like a slot machine outside a casino in Canada is a Federal offense (rarely if ever enforced). My theory is that once VLTs and Video Poker came about, these old slots seemed to make it out of the bars and into people's homes.

Burned chips are never good.  And replacing them, well nigh impossible unless you can find direct replacements.  If they're ROMs then you chances for a repair are even slimmer.  Older electronic slots have some following in the US, and there are a couple experts here and there and semi-retired in Florida, but mostly it's Bally, Williams and IGT they can repair.

When you say "recoat the playfield", what do you mean, exactly? Playfield touch-ups are potentially a quick way to ruin what would otherwise be a passable machine. Unless you have artistic skills and paint-matching abilities, you may just want to clean and wax the PF and enjoy playing the machine. FP has a detailed PF and, personally, I'd rather see wear than poorly-done touch-ups. If you do decide to go ahead with touch-ups, you also need to decide how to protect the work you've done. See pinballhq.com for moe info. It's all there. See here: http://www.marvin3m.com/restore/index2.htm#pf1

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Does the slot have any identifying marks or numbers to go from?

the only thing I saw when i looked around it is the logo underneath the credit Display.
says MAC or MAG. it's actually pretty dark in that basement..
i'll see what i can dig up from the pictures, but they are on my home computer

So the slot was made in Madrid. by M.A.C limitied.. so it's a spanish machine..

I figured out what the chips were. SAA1027. it's a 4 channel motor controller. so i'll start by looking into that see what happens when they are replaced.

any one know where to find a hopper? are hoppers general items? or specific to each slot?

Hoppers vary a little depending on the age and source of the parts.  Your best bet for me to take a look is to post a picture, you may find a replacement for common ones at Happ Controls though, that would be my first stop.  After that you might research more through google, though I wasn't able to find anything on the spanish manufacturers in English.  Usually the complication with matching hoppers is that they need to feedback a count of coins dispensed and have certain other secuirity features and circuits (though perhaps they need not all be matched).