Quoted from Bish

AncientGames didn't sell his games to Dr. Makak.  I bought AG's Police Force and Pinbot last night (and only because your deal with AG was a no-go).  It's just a coincidence you've been offered the same games elsewhere.

Nice, well my deal with him was a no-go because someone offered him money after I had a deal worked out.  Guess that someone was you.

Have a good day.

Quoted from medvet

Mike

I'm pretty sure these are Gerry's old games that Makak(?) bought a little while ago. Check the old For Sale postings as Gerry posted them here. Just coincidence on the games and I remember getting a few pics of some games that Gerry was selling ans they were very nice so probably worth a look.

ME (who's memory is great when it comes to pinballs but nothing else unfortunately )

In that case I owe dr_makak an apology.  

Sorry about that man, it was easy for me to jump to that conclusion based on the 2 games that were offered but I'm man enough to admit I made a mistake.  I'll send you a PM as a followup.

Mike.

Quoted from Bish

I bought AG's Police Force and Pinbot last night (and only because your deal with AG was a no-go)

Quoted from newf112

Nice, well my deal with him was a no-go because someone offered him money after I had a deal worked out.  Guess that someone was you.

Have a good day.

Just have to stick my big fat nose in here.  Did you read Bish's post?  and only because your deal with AG was a no-go  I know you're bitter, dude, and I'm not trying to change that, but I know Bish well enough to know he absolutely would not snake a pending deal.  

Quoted from newf112

I'm man enough to admit I made a mistake.

Again, here's my big fat nose... don't let a sour deal with one guy make enemies with others.  It's not worth it.

Daniel

Quoted from McMean

Just have to stick my big fat nose in here.  Did you read Bish's post?  and only because your deal with AG was a no-go  I know you're bitter, dude, and I'm not trying to change that, but I know Bish well enough to know he absolutely would not snake a pending deal.  

I know this... the deal went south because someone offered him money.  Now Bish has the games.  

Quoted from McMean

Again, here's my big fat nose... don't let a sour deal with one guy make enemies with others.  It's not worth it.

Daniel

This deal is more than just sour grapes, I lost money on it... $350 is a lot of sour.

I'm done with this conversation.  It's getting out of hand.

Something here just doesn't add up...

(...and as much as I don't want to throw fuel on the fire after
the last few contentious threads we've had, I feel I have to
say something since I know both Mike and Blaine to be great guys
and don't want any misplaced animosity... )

Somehow I think the seller isn't coming clean here ...

Mike's deal went sour on Aug 12th.
Blaine bought the games yesterday ( Aug 24th).

I would like to think that Blaine did indeed negotiate for the games AFTER Aug 12th,
which means the seller probably lied to Mike about having sold the games on Aug 12th

( I can only speculate that the seller had a change of heart
[perhaps wanted cash rather than a trade] ,  but didn't have the balls
to tell Mike, so he made up a story about having sold the games.   It happens.... )

It would be pretty easy to verify...

1- The seller (who's suspiciously quiet on the thread...) can explain his side of the story
2- Bish can explain how and WHEN he talked about the games to the seller...

Like I said, I realize I'm probably fanning the fire here,
but Mike got screwed-over and I don't think Blaine is the bad guy in any way on this,
so I'm just hoping to shed some light on this before more
bad blood is spilled for the wrong reasons...

I'd sure like to hear what the seller has to say...

Then again , maybe I should just get my nose out of other people's business
and go-on merrily saving Humanity from 2084...



Steph

My side of things:

AG and I talked about me seeing his machines either Sunday, Aug 17 or Monday, Aug 18 - [and I'm going by a message I received back from AG where he described the condition of the machines.]  I indicated I was interested in the machines.  AG was clear that he wanted me to see and play the machines before I gave a firm commitment to buy.  I went to AG's last night, cash in hand, and after playing both machines, agreed to purchase them.  I picked up Police Force.  I haven't taken possession of PinBot yet.

I certainly wasn't standing in line on Aug 12th to try and snake newf's deal.  I'm not trying to screw over anyone, and I'm being honest about who got what.

Just so we're clear, AG had already sold LCA to a local buyer when I made my deal.  Newf's original deal couldn't have gone ahead, regardless.

I feel bad for Newf that he invested in a trailer hitch at what was an inconvenient time.  I'm also sorry that he didn't get the pins he wanted.  

I firmly believe that when I bought these two machines there was no other deal pending or in progresss, and unless Newf's intent is to lead all of MAACA in a crusade to boycott AG indefinitely, then I don't feel I've done anything wrong in purchasing them.

I've been sitting on this for a few days now, but it's time to call Bullshit!

Newf:  You have a marginalized understanding of what's going on in this deal.  You have absolutely no facts other than (1) you didn't get the pins you wanted, and then (2)someone else eventually ended up with them.

You've used a shotgun approach to lay blame, using the "Ready, FIRE, Aim" technique.  You hope you find someone to take the fall for your bad luck in the process.  Meanwhile there's a number of people, myself included, that you've made unfounded accusations against.

Quoted from newf112

I'm done with this conversation.  It's getting out of hand.

To top it off, you run off and hide once you're done throwing these accusations around, and refuse to acknowledge what's been said in anyone's defense.

Privately, you've insulted me, and brought my profession and professionalism into question.  If I worked as anything other than a teacher, I know you wouldn't be doing this.  When was the last time you spent more than 5 minutes in a classroom?  Maybe you should come and spend a week in mine before you go shooting your mouth off about it.

I can verify my timeline, as I kept all of my correspondance with the seller.  All of it is datestamped.

One important thing I teach the kids is not to take crap off anyone.  I'm not taking yours.  You're a bully, and the easiest way to take a bully's power away is to stand up to them.

Maybe you should check your facts again with the seller, and get a leash for your tongue.

Quoted from newf112

I'm man enough to admit I made a mistake.

I'm waiting.

Quoted from Bish

I've been sitting on this for a few days now, but it's time to call Bullshit!

Newf:  You have a marginalized understanding of what's going on in this deal.  You have absolutely no facts other than (1) you didn't get the pins you wanted, and then (2)someone else eventually ended up with them.

You've used a shotgun approach to lay blame, using the "Ready, FIRE, Aim" technique.  You hope you find someone to take the fall for your bad luck in the process.  Meanwhile there's a number of people, myself included, that you've made unfounded accusations against.



To top it off, you run off and hide once you're done throwing these accusations around, and refuse to acknowledge what's been said in anyone's defense.

Privately, you've insulted me, and brought my profession and professionalism into question.  If I worked as anything other than a teacher, I know you wouldn't be doing this.  When was the last time you spent more than 5 minutes in a classroom?  Maybe you should come and spend a week in mine before you go shooting your mouth off about it.

I can verify my timeline, as I kept all of my correspondance with the seller.  All of it is datestamped.

One important thing I teach the kids is not to take crap off anyone.  I'm not taking yours.  You're a bully, and the easiest way to take a bully's power away is to stand up to them.

Maybe you should check your facts again with the seller, and get a leash for your tongue.



I'm waiting.

My turn to call BS.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.  I know that AG is at the top of the mess heap here but mess rolls downhill.  He was prodded into his decision to screw me by someone.

Straight up... I don't believe you.  

Even if what you say is true... I thought MAACA was a community.  A community where we look out for and stick up for each other.  At least that's the way I've always thought of it.  Where do you think blacklists come from?  Even if events unfolded as you say (and I don't think they did) you willingly picked up a deal that a fellow member got screwed on (less than a week later) so you could get a good deal.  I wonder if I was someone that you actually knew, a friend and not some anonymous poster on a message board, would you still have done this?  I know I would not, in fact I would not do it to that anonymous poster because they are a part of something I believe in.  Maybe that's just me?  I don't do business with people who f*** over members of my community.  You seem to have no problem with that and that makes me question your ethics and your morals.

If you are waiting for an apology from me you will wait a very long time.  

Ok, I've read through everything and initially was going to let things settle, let you have your rant (i understand) and if my name is mentioned then so be it.   However I have to step in in defence of Bish.  

Bish did not offer me the money until after I cancelled.   Much after.  Yes I did mention to you I had offers once I posted it as pending but only because i thought it was funny that after having them posted for so long without any real offers that it took "pending" to get people motivated.  I likened it to the "chicks want you when your married or dating" situation that we have all experienced at some point.  Don't bash Bish, he isn't involved in this.  The other offers were not serious.   Because of some changes here at home I had to prioratize things and needed the cash.  Not because I received a wopper of an offer or anything like that.  Simply put, selling the WCS in the fall wouldn't have even come close to the amount I needed to raise.  So, I dropped my prices to achive the minimum I needed.  

I'm sorry about the situation with the hitch.  You mentioned you were having one put on but I didn't realize it was solely for this deal.  I assumed it was needed for other things also.  
Your response to me via pm's was understanding and I didn't expect your "rant" post but to each thier own.   I thought 2 weeks notice before our arranged pickup date was enough time for you to cancel any rental you may have booked without penalty.  

If you want more details as to why I backed out then pm me.  Its not something I wish to discuss or have made public.  Trust me, your hitch is a drop in the bucket compaired to my reason.

Mike

Quoted from newf112

Straight up... I don't believe you.  

That's a shame, as it seems I'm RIGHT.

Quoted from newf112

Nice, well my deal with him was a no-go because someone offered him money after I had a deal worked out.  Guess that someone was you.

I guess it wasn't!

Quoted from newf112

If you are waiting for an apology from me you will wait a very long time.  

In light of this new evidence, it seems time has really flown.  I'll be taking that apology now, or are you not man enough anymore?

Wow, I missed alot of posts actually and please, everyone its getting out of hand.  Mike you have every right to be angry but direct it my way.  If you have questions that need answers then ask me first before you assume and lay judgement on people who have nothing to do with the deal or why I backed out of it.  

Put me on the mess pile all you want.  Black list me or whatever you want.  I'm no Mr Anderson or that HyabusaFMW guy.  i have a legit reason which is far more important than the cost of your hitch which again, i had no idea that you were getting it solely for this deal.  

Chill