If you're not nudging, you're not really 'playing' pinball. If you honestly believe that nudging is cheating, I'd venture to say that you're just not very good at it and are using the whole "nudging is cheating" thing as an excuse for your own poor playing skills.

Nudging (and doing it well) takes skill and practice and is what separates the good players from the noobs. I'll bet the *vast* majority of pinball hobbyists would agree.  

EDIT: Let the people decide:
http://archive.maaca.org/s107351202.onlinehome.us/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1276524925/s-new/

Quoted from jonny_eh

didn't the Rocky and Bullwinkle game reward bang backs?

It acknowledges them, but no points are given. It just says "Nice Death Save on the DMD and plays the death march music for a few bars.

Edit: Just tried it and it also says "Good Boy Sherman!"

Quoted from Hippochrome

Nahhh. Nudging is for pinball players who are out of control....Lyman Sheats doesn't nudge

I can't agree with this.. nudging was part of the game long before flippers were

Quoted from jonny_eh

I'm going to be a devil's advocate for a second, but didn't the Rocky and Bullwinkle game reward bang backs? Aren't those considered cheating?

Not sure about R&B, but JP rewards death saves

Sounds like it may by a DE thing.  

I just recently learned how to death save, it's pretty funny to do.  

Generally the legality behind it in Tournaments has more to do with people not wanting their machines abused and the fact that if you've drained you shouldn't be getting your ball back.  You can generally get away with it without tilting on a number of games because of a flaw in the way the software recognizes tilts.  On most games, especially on newer sterns you can get away with one really big nudge and not get a tilt because the software won't throw 2 warnings and a tilt all at once.  You can hammer a machine once, and get your two warnings but it wont throw the tilt until after the plumb bob stops hitting the ring, once it stops hitting the ring, the next time it hits the ring you will get a tilt.  

It's easiest to do on carpet and you need a bit of space as you really need to slide the machine a few inches to the right to get it to work properly.  

If anybody "death saved" in my basement, they'd get their a** kicked

Quoted from Vengeance

Sounds like it may by a DE thing.  

I just recently learned how to death save, it's pretty funny to do.  

Generally the legality behind it in Tournaments has more to do with people not wanting their machines abused and the fact that if you've drained you shouldn't be getting your ball back.  You can generally get away with it without tilting on a number of games because of a flaw in the way the software recognizes tilts.  On most games, especially on newer sterns you can get away with one really big nudge and not get a tilt because the software won't throw 2 warnings and a tilt all at once.  You can hammer a machine once, and get your two warnings but it wont throw the tilt until after the plumb bob stops hitting the ring, once it stops hitting the ring, the next time it hits the ring you will get a tilt.  

It's easiest to do on carpet and you need a bit of space as you really need to slide the machine a few inches to the right to get it to work properly.  

Isn't it harder to move a machine on carpet? My machines don't budge.

Quoted from jonny_eh

Isn't it harder to move a machine on carpet? My machines don't budge.

Guess it  could depend on the carpet, but I've always found it much easier to slide a game around on carpet, but I've never tried it on a really thick carpet, usually it's the thinner stuff.  

B1 - You are totally wrong.


It's "you're" not "your".


(this is nothing more then a +1 post)

Quoted from cooke

If you're not nudging, you're not really 'playing' pinball. If you honestly believe that nudging is cheating, I'd venture to say that you're just not very good at it and are using the whole "nudging is cheating" thing as an excuse for your own poor playing skills.

3rd place overall in the OPL season...and I missed a league night. So my playing skills certainly aren't poor.

Next time your around I propose a friendly challenge

(to be honest, I nudge...but very very little, as others can attest to)

p.s. I cheat at Monopoly(the board game), and Golf

Quoted from Subpacket

B1 - You are totally wrong.


It's "you're" not "your".


(this is nothing more then a +1 post)

Damn Grammar! or is Grammer?
mess!

Good call Thanks Subby, doesn't change the fact he's a douche

Quoted from Hippochrome

3rd place overall in the OPL season...and I missed a league night. So my playing skills certainly aren't poor.

Isn't this last statement in contradiction of everything else you've been saying in this thread?  You just said that your own skill isn't poor, so would that be an admission that pinball does require skill?

As for nudging being cheating, that's fine, if that's your opinion, but that doesn't make it correct.  Your opinion could be that the sky isn't blue or that their isn't a sun in the sky but that doesn't make it true.  

As for the personal attacks, sorry about that, I get carried away sometimes especially when it comes to talking about pinball competition and skill levels.