Fine by me that this is a public forum but this guy has been banging on me for weeks now.....and one of the picture IS from that machine just the backglass wasnt.....and like I said I will have one up tonight....I see many adds with pinball that have a link to ipdb because the person cannot take pictures.

Since I have been a member.....

1. Bought parts from members
2. Bought machines from members
3. Offered help to bring machines to other cities
4. I have been REAL NICE to everybody

Was even planning to attempt next meeting...
OK yes I am a newbie and will probably do things I shouldnt not knowing I am not suppose to but there is a way to tell people about it other then the ones used here today.

And for THAT GUY who finds it funny I am saying that the mr pinball book has it listed at 2100$ I only said it was listed at that....not that this is a bible and we all have to use it as such.

I knew nobody here would buy it.....I am looking for a guy who absolutely wants it and wants to pay for it....if not it will stay here thats all.

HAY GUYS IM POSTING MY CACTUS CANYON FOR SALE

BRAND NEW LEGS INCLUDED
A TRUE COLLECTOR PIECE NOT TO BE MISSED
IF YOU WANT A UNIQUE MACHINE THIS IS YOUR CHANCE

THIS MACHINE IS LISTED AT 31000 PESOS IN MR PINBALL 1999 YOURS FOR ONLY 456 PAYMENTS OF 69.96

I can still see the decals on the side of the head, I think it needs a little more yellow  

if they are more yellow will you buy it?

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Since I have been a member.....

1. Bought parts from members
2. Bought machines from members
3. Offered help to bring machines to other cities
4. I have been REAL NICE to everybody

All of the above is great, pretty much what anyone here would expect of another member.  (please smack me upside the head with a trout if I am mistaken)

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OK yes I am a newbie and will probably do things I shouldnt not knowing I am not suppose to but there is a way to tell people about it other then the ones used here today.

And for THAT GUY who finds it funny I am saying that the mr pinball book has it listed at 2100$ I only said it was listed at that....not that this is a bible and we all have to use it as such.

I knew nobody here would buy it.....I am looking for a guy who absolutely wants it and wants to pay for it....if not it will stay here thats all.

This above statement I think is what everyone is having a problem with.  Newbie or not, it's just not the right thing to do, which makes us question your true character.  Are you a hobbyist, or a re-seller?  Unfortunately you can't be both.  If you had no intention of keeping the game in the first place (which is questionable given the amount of time you've actually owned the game) it would have been nice to pass the game on to a fellow collector that truly wanted it for a reasonable price. (even if you added a little bit for your effort, but not THAT much)

D.

If you throw some green on the backglass while your at it you got a deal!

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if they are more yellow will you buy it?

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Fine by me that this is a public forum but this guy has been banging on me for weeks now.....and one of the picture IS from that machine just the backglass wasnt.....and like I said I will have one up tonight....I see many adds with pinball that have a link to ipdb because the person cannot take pictures.

At what point is fraud committed.  One of the pictures is correct so you are innocent?  Please!  Give your head a shake.  The fact is you committed fraud. You got caught, and now your trying to pass the buck. "f*** you".

No you see links to IPDB because its a PUBLIC FORUM where people can comment and review on the game. Not because "I'm too lazy to take pics of my actual game and trying to find a sucker to get it off my hands".

You have been nice to people here. Thats great. Oh, except this thread, where someone calls you on committing fraud, proves it, so you try to trash them.

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I knew nobody here would buy it.....I am looking for a guy who absolutely wants it and wants to pay for it....if not it will stay here thats all.

Someone may have bought it here - but - were a close group that checks things, like knowing when people commit fraud.  The fact is that if you tried that mess on here, posting pics, your a** would have been handed to you.  But instead, lets post it on ebay and hopefully no one checks.

Thats Classy.

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And for THAT GUY who finds it funny I am saying that the mr pinball book has it listed at 2100$ I only said it was listed at that....not that this is a bible and we all have to use it as such.

You're right..  I'm sorry for saying that..  It's not like you set the starting bid at pretty much the same value as listed in the book..  err....

I'm just pulling your leg man relax!!!  You opened the door for FLAK and you got it TEN fold!!  Take it with a grain of salt.  

Anyway it's a small community..  We pretty much all know each other..  A lot of us have had oppurtunities to buy low - sell high..  We are just a bit more discreet about it that's all (don't brag about a deal if you're gonna flip it)..  The point about online classifieds is very valid.  Many guys think they're the only ones surfing/searching online classifieds, newgroups, kijiji, etc.  The reality is that we all do it

Group hug

Mike

A fraud?
Wow....reason why I am not posting it for sale here is because 99% of people here are into recent games except for 2-3 guys...I have 27 machines that are NOT FOR SALE whatsoever....just wanted to make a good enough profit to get myself a recent machine but I should have just waited 5 years thats my mistake.
Of course NOBODY here wants to make a profit....you guys are ALL about losing money.

A fraud is when you dont have a machine or when you lie.....couldnt get a frigging picture of the backglass because my friend didnt show up...I HAVE BACK PROBLEMS...new pictures are up on ebay right now.....tanks a lot for the f*** you...I REALLY REALLY DESERVE ALL THIS....I AM A VERY BAD GUY AND A THIEF WITH NO HEART.

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Of course NOBODY here wants to make a profit....you guys are ALL about losing money.

Did I say that?  Please quote me where I said you couldn't make a profit?  (actually if you read it again I specifically mentioned adding a few bucks for your time / effort if you were going to flip it)  

The hobby isn't about losing $$, nor should it be about making $$ either.  That's why it's called a hobby.   If you are in this to make profit, you are a re-seller and not a hobbyist.  As Mike mentioned we are a close group and look out for fellow collectors, and there have been many posts about this issue, and I doubt it will be the last.  We take great offense when other collectors seem to be out to screw fellow collectors, a.k.a poinball machine owners. (hence the flak)

Try looking at this from a different anlge...  Say you're in the market for an EK, and you find the ebay listing @ 2K.  You decide to ask fellow collectors if it's a good deal (as many of us do), and the forum digs up all the info about the original price on that specific game and whatnot for you.  Would you not feel like you were being cheated?  Wouldn't you feel good knowing the community probably just saved you a bunch of $$?  (as that game can be had elsewhere for less)

Hope that puts a different spin on it.

D.

See this is the type of message that should have been posted in the begining....not picturing me as a crook...I have 27 machines.....1 is for sale to better my collectors situation....am I a resseler?....plus nobody is FORCED to buy it.

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A fraud is when you dont have a machine or when you lie.....couldnt get a frigging picture of the backglass because my friend didnt show up...I HAVE BACK PROBLEMS...new pictures are up on ebay right now.....tanks a lot for the f*** you...I REALLY REALLY DESERVE ALL THIS....I AM A VERY BAD GUY AND A THIEF WITH NO HEART.

Realizing that the horse is dead, but still.

So I took a picture of something else, and portrayed it as mine.  Thats a lie. Ergo, a fraud. (Your definition).

We don't give a mess what you do.    But, the problem is that you started attacking someone when they called you out.  While I may not care about his actions, I will defend that person, as they were doing something to PROTECT the people on here, from people who will fraudulently put items up, or misrepresent themselves.  Which, you clearly state that you did here.

Were not all about losing money.  It happens.

Thief - no, a thief takes something thats not his.  You took a pic that wasn't yours.  Ok, so, you are right. A thief, and a fraudulent ebay seller.   Can't comment on the "heart" issue.  Never once said you were lacking there.