Both machines were made by Williams in the mid 90s. Both are considered great games despite their relatively cheap price. Both are drainers. Both are based on movies that bombed.

Now that my neighbour hippochrome has a BSD, and therefore a game that can be compared with one of mine, it's time to decide which is better.

Which is the better game? Which keeps you coming back? Which would you take to a deserted island (that was level and had an outlet)?

I vote for The Shadow. It's just got more going on. It's go the battlefield (the best pinball toy ever), changeable ramps, and a funner theme. It is also Keanu free!

I'll answer after the meeting at your place.

Shadow, by a landslide. BSD = multiball, rinse, lather, repeat. Shadow has so much more going for it. Fantastic game with a challenging wizard mode, great modes, different MB, Vengeance, Super Vengeance, etc.

Duane

For me it's two hard to compare the two, the are pretty much on equal footing, bot amazing games.

Reason I say that is while I think Shadow has more to it, it has one damable flaw, Vengeance.  The Vengeance mode is too easy to exploit almost to the point that there is no point in shooting anything else.  I've been able to rack up 4 billion in points alone on Vengeance, it really is way to over powered.  But the game itself is so varied, it's got allot of really interesting shots and a great modes.  Overall a great game.

Now had you not been able to exploit Vengeance I would rank it higher then BSD from a players perspective, but BSD is one of the great player games.  Tough, tight shots, yes it's shallow with very little do do, but this game is all about control.  Once you lose control you lose your ball.  Also it has one of the coolest toys ever in mist multiball, I still think it is awsome to watch that ball creep across the playfield.

If I had to take one to a deserted Island, I wouldn't care which one I ended up with, I could play both for hours and hours, a most own for any player.  

Dracula bombed?

Quoted from machine.slave

Dracula bombed?

yeah I thought the same ... it's one hell of a good movie.

I still have to own The Shadow to make a good decision on that one but BSD is definitly a player's game ( sorry Duane you suck! HAHA!! )


Looks like I miss it.  where's mine at right now?!

First, I bought BSD and sold it, then regretted selling it.

Then bought Shadow...one of my favorite machines!!!

Then found a 2nd BSD and bought it

I only have one of the 2 left: Shadow...

The Drake is tough as nails, but the one that gets my downstairs to plays a few games is Shadow. Starting Final Battle is VERY hard...finishing it is a another story by itself.

Wife loved BSD: for its looks, sounds and dots...but she doesn't play my machines...therefore >>> SOLD the 2nd Drake and I haven't looked back ever since.

Mes deux cennes,

Frosken

Quoted from Mrhide

yeah I thought the same ... it's one hell of a good movie.

I still have to own The Shadow to make a good decision on that one but BSD is definitly a player's game ( sorry Duane you suck! HAHA!! )

Hard doesn't equal fun. I've had two Drac's. Not my cup of tea. If I wanted a tough game, I'd set all my games to one ball and be done with it.

Duane

Quoted from TwilightZone

Hard doesn't equal fun. I've had two Drac's. Not my cup of tea. If I wanted a tough game, I'd set all my games to one ball and be done with it.

Duane

Now that's too hard to be fun.

non pinball related: BSD movie did NOT bomb.

Production Budget: 40 million
Release date: 1992
Domestic:  $82,522,790    38.2%
+ Foreign:  $133,339,902    61.8%

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= Worldwide:  $215,862,692

That is not a bomb.

Shadow:
release date: 1994
Production budget: ?

Domestic:  $32,063,435    66.7%
+ Foreign:  $16,000,000    33.3%

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= Worldwide:  $48,063,435

That's somewhere between a bomb and mediocre, closer to the bomb

Back to pinball, both surprised me but I'd probably choose BSD because I'm a big fan of the movie.

Well if we're talking about the movies there's no contest. The Shadow is a MEGA TURKEY! I couldn't even sit through the entire thing. But BSD is pretty good in spite of Keanu.

Pins:
Tough call. I'd own either....but I own Drac, so I'll say Drac right now.  
Plus, my BSD (and all that don't have the promo plastics) is Keanu free
Your Shadow is not Alec Baldwin free (can't say the same for Medvets )
Movies
Drac: hands down! Best movie...and has my uncle Anthony in it...
Shadow: fell asleep every time I tried to watch it....so, I'd say it pretty boring.


            

Quoted from Hippochrome

Pins:
Tough call. I'd own either....but I own Drac, so I'll say Drac right now.  
Plus, my BSD (and all that don't have the promo plastics) is Keanu free
Your Shadow is not Alec Baldwin free (can't say the same for Medvets )
Movies
Drac: hands down! Best movie...and has my uncle Anthony in it...
Shadow: fell asleep every time I tried to watch it....so, I'd say it pretty boring.

Best pin review yet!       Screw depth and rules!

Quoted from Tuborg

Best pin review yet!       Screw depth and rules!

AND
BSD has the better video mode...but both machines' video modes remind me of visiting Vanier (i.e. Shooting attacking dogs, and dodging knife attacks)

ALSO
BSD "Mist Multiball" is the best toy ever.......kills any mini playfield

My vote, BSD. Why?

THIIiiiIIIiiiIIIRTYYYyyyYYY MIIIiiiiIIIIiiiiLLIIOOOoooOOOoooOOON!!!

I vote for Shadow.  Unless you want a game that has a real short ball time, then get BSD.  I like them both, but for different reasons.

Ok, I admit that neither was really a 'bomb' at the box office, but in the light of history, neither was very memorable. Especially when compared to movies like T2, JP, or even TAF.

I just came back from Hippo's place, played some good old fun BSD. It's got nothing on Shadow, hahahaha! "You really thought you could defeat me?!"

"I hear you are a man of good...taste"

Non-pin related: I'm not sure Alec Baldwin is that much of an upgrade from Keanu.  They both suck! (I know some 30 Rock fan may disagree)

Keanu can be good in the right role.  See "The Gift" for an example.

"I feel like a Blundering Novice"

I laughed for a good while when I first heard that quote

Quoted from Monkeybug

Unless you want a game that has a real short ball time, then get BSD.

Practice Practice Practice!!

Bsd, bsd, it is the most evil hard a** kicking game I ever played. I own one, this game is still apealing after some years and a super hard game keeps targeting you to come back for more, this game is tough so it does not get old too fast, like f 14 tomcat after on month it is finish. super hard game= super adictiion!

I would go with BSD,I like the sound boost when you "cut off their heads and take out their hearts"

It's like,and I quote some friends"a screaming box of bitches in your basement"

I wondered if the nieghbours thought I was killing someone.