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I'm working on a Stern Flight 2000 and all the EPROMS don't have covers on the glass windows.  I happened to be working in the garage on Sunday - nice and sunny - when all of a sudden the voice component of the audio is gone...

If the chip failed, would this nuke my speech card?

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Always cover the little glass windows after "burning", with a label, or electrical tape at worst. Light sensitive gadgets. Your "card" should be OK, but maybe not the sound ROMs. Erase and "reburn" to find out.




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Not to sounds like a sour-puss,
but it would take over 3 weeks at full sun exposure
to start to cause erasure on an eprom.

The eprom could be bad, but I don't think it's from the sun...  

And no, a bad eprom will not damage a board.

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OK, so I'll troubleshoot the board first and then start pointing fingers at the EPROM.
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Quoted from Steph

Not to sounds like a sour-puss,
but it would take over 3 weeks at full sun exposure
to start to cause erasure on an eprom.

The eprom could be bad, but I don't think it's from the sun...  

And no, a bad eprom will not damage a board.

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OK, so I'll troubleshoot the board first and then start pointing fingers at the EPROM.


put your finger on the amp transistor if it make noise it mean that part is working
if you can't get noise..look fot amplification and wirering or suply  


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1- Check all cabling and connectors between the MPU, lamp driver and main sound card,
and also to the VSU-100 speech board. Make sure the VSU-100 board gets +5V.

2- Check for cold solder joints under the header pins for the sound card & speech board.

3- try replacing Eproms on the VSU-100

4- the large chip often fails on the VSU-100... This part is getting difficult to find...

Good luck !
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4- the large chip often fails on the VSU-100... This part is getting difficult to find...


Looks like the TSI S14001A Speech Synthesizer LSI Integrated Circuit is made out of pure unobtainium. I really hope thats not the problem.

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Looking at this schematic is confusing me something fierce.

On the VSU-100 board I see 3 Test Points. TP1 is labeled GND, TP2 is labeled +5 and TP3 is -10.


This schematic has TP1 as 5v and TP2 as GND
http://files.pinball-fixers.com/stern-old/Voice_Synthesizer_%28VSU-100%29.pdf

With the black multimeter probe on the ground strap, machine powered up, I read TP1 as .08v, TP2 as 5.3v and TP3 as +2.7v


Am I reading this correctly?
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Probably a mistake in the TP1/2 designation either on the board, or on the schematics.

From the look of it, it appears that TP1 is actually ground (OK if you measure 0.08 V DC).
TP2 is a tad high at +5.3V but I suspect it should be OK.

TP3 is definitely wrong. Make sure you have GI (6.3VAC) feeding J3-1 on the VSU-100.
Otherwise you may have a bad diode or cap in the -10V supply circuit.

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J3-1 (red wire) is alternating between .002 and .005v respectively.

So looks like the -10v supply isn't working...

further down the rabbit hole I go
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Did you set your meter to measure in AC volts (as opposed to DC) ?


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Quoted from sylvain
Did you set your meter to measure in AC volts (as opposed to DC) ?


Yessir, just double-checked it.
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Good news on this one - traced the wiring all the way back to the rectifier board - the GI circuit was split between 2 fuses for some reason. Unhacked the hack and now the Voice synthesizer works! I'm going to order a new rectifier from GPE this morning.
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