Looking for Getaway again, mine went missing from my basement so I need another one, barely had the game finished for a week   

So if someone has one that they are interested in parting with let me know.

Paying up to 2K for the right machine

Quoted from Vengeance

Paying up to 2K for the right machine

I think that's worst then the 4k GNR !!

Quoted from Mrhide

I think that's worst then the 4k GNR !!

I can't figure out if you are just completely inept when it comes to understanding the pinball market or you just like throwing in your personal opinion on what YOU think the market for pins is like.  

Anyone else here who would pay 2k for a getaway?!  speak up now!

Quoted from Mrhide

Anyone else here who would pay 2k for a getaway?!  speak up now!

Why not if you want the machine. You can fart around for less and maybe end up with one. It could be rough too, but if your willing to put up decent offer you'll probably get a machine and a decent one at that.

If you want to wait sure you might get lucky, but you hedge your bets with a few hundred, I don't see any issue with it.

I know of a very nice (unshopped) one that sold recently for $1900, the average price seems to be $15-1600. All depends on condition. $2K for a really nice one is not ridiculous IMHO, especially if there is no fade.

Quoted from HP5P

the average price seems to be $15-1600.

Your probably $150 low on that range. Sure there are exceptions but what the hell is $150 on a machine? It can cost more for a couple to go out for dinner these days than that. Have a balony sandwich instead and find yourself a machine.

Quoted from Mrhide

Anyone else here who would pay 2k for a getaway?!  speak up now!

I would. Your assessment of fair price has consistently been out to lunch as of late. I think Adam's price is realistic.

I have tried to find a nice GetAway for a very long time in the $1,800 range and haven't found one. I missed the one that sold at $1,900 or I would have jumped on it. A nice GetAway in the $1,500 to $1,800 range is very difficult to find. As time goes on, I think B title games in good condition will start to demand a higher premium.

Duane

I don’t have the experience you guys have but I’ve been chasing one down for over 6 months.
I looked at 4 & the price were all 2K & the condition was not good, I got real tired of waiting for a deal but had to put my offer out there on what I would pay for one in nice condition.
I paid over market for mine but at the end of the day I got one & I’m now happy. No more driving hours wasting gas, time that cost me just adding to the overall price.
Yeah & ordering parts that also could cost in the many hundreds of $$$$

Machine Name
Getaway, High Speed II, The

Avg Of Price
1,395     

Min Of Price
600     

Max Of Price
2395     

Count Of Sales Activity
100     

Avg w/o min & max
1,393
     


     


     

who's inept now?! ...and the last one I bought was 750$

Quoted from Mrhide

who's inept now?! ...and the last one I bought was 750$

Remember we are talking a nice GetAway. I saw the LOTR ME bought. Price definitely reflected condition. So, sure you can get a GetAway cheap, but it will have insert wear and the cab will be faded. Adam wants a nice cab and nice playfield.

The LOTR example is not meant to offend. I'm just using it as an example. The Drac you just sold is another example. Yes, the game was cheap, but it wasn't working and had cab issues. Sure you can find a deal occasionally, but normally the reason something is priced low is due to condition.

Duane

I hate to ruin a good argument with math, but it appears that if you divide $ 4000 by the avg price of a GnR and divide $2K by the avg price for a HSII, you pretty much get the same ratio.

You can argue about the most tasteful way to over-spend, but the % of over-spending appears to be the same for both pins, or at least too close to argue about.


We now return to our regular programming.

So, mr hide why not post wtb getaway willing to pay $1350 and let's see what you get? I don't think you understand local markets. What you seem to overlook is that actual values are subjective. If you really want a machine someone else is selling would you not purchase because it's over book value.? Posted values are averages, take a look at high values to see the range that others have paid. Lower prices paid could also
be a heap of parts.

I found the getaway in his price range...
http://cgi.ebay.ca/GETAWAY-PIN.....?hash=item3efcef0f0a

ROFL

I don't look at Ebay as being a very good price indicator. Either you find the way overpriced stuff that doesn't sell., the uber restored stuff that the guy wants to get top dollar for or the crap. Mostly the crap. It seems if you don't want to put any work into restoring a game it goes on Ebay so they can hide behind the fact it's a POS.

I would rather look at what collectors are selling on RGP, here or Mr Pinball to get an indication. They usually price it based on what the condition of what they are selling is worth.

What is the price in the 2010 book?

Quoted from TwilightZone

I saw the LOTR ME bought. Price definitely reflected condition.
The LOTR example is not meant to offend. I'm just using it as an example.

Ok that really hurts. Please explain and speak up Duane since I was at Medvet's house yesterday and she did not mentioned anything. Seriously that is really uncalled for.

Quoted from HP5P

I know of a very nice (unshopped) one that sold recently for $1900, the average price seems to be $15-1600. All depends on condition. $2K for a really nice one is not ridiculous IMHO, especially if there is no fade.

?  $1900 ??   Damn i would even pay $2000 for the machine       unshopped.

There isn't the same prevalance of used machines coming from non-collectors and operators anymore. Other than newer Sterns most games are moving through the collectors channels which has a stabilizing affect on price. It's a rarity to see WPC machines now moving for far less than the accepted norms unless they are in tough shape. What this means in the end is people are pricing thier machines knowing they aren't competing against operators and the odd guy that bought one awhile ago. They are pricing against the collector market.

Quoted from Mrhide

Ok that really hurts. Please explain and speak up Duane since I was at Medvet's house yesterday and she did not mentioned anything. Seriously that is really uncalled for.

You are reading more into it than is intended. Read my post again. The LOTR was priced fairly for the condition. I specifically stated "I saw the LOTR ME bought. Price definitely reflected condition." and then followed up with "The LOTR example is not meant to offend. I'm just using it as an example."

I was simply stating condition is an important factor in determining price -- something you seem to be ignoring in this discussion.

Duane

Quoted from AMX

What is the price in the 2010 book?

1550$

Quoted from Azatotht

1550$

Put me down for three nice ones at that price.

Quoted from Azatotht

1550$

WOW! Thanks!
I would like to still have mine.... and sell it $2000!    

Quoted from Mrhide

Anyone else here who would pay 2k for a getaway?!  speak up now!

Perhaps I'm crazy (as proved by my recent GNR purchase) but I paid $1900 for my Getaway about 1.5 years ago.... and I don't regret it.  It's one of the most fun games ever made (in my opinion).

Hope you find one Adam.  They typically come up in spurts... a few at a time for some reason.  We just had a spurt this past summer with 3-4 available.

Awesome game!

[quote=849]I hate to ruin a good argument with math, but it appears that if you divide $ 4000 by the avg price of a GnR and divide $2K by the avg price for a HSII, you pretty much get the same ratio.

Actually it was $4200 (plus I pimped it out too so there's some extra $$ that I'll never see again.)

Quoted from mrniceguy

I hate to ruin a good argument with math, but it appears that if you divide $ 4000 by the avg price of a GnR and divide $2K by the avg price for a HSII, you pretty much get the same ratio.

You can argue about the most tasteful way to over-spend, but the % of over-spending appears to be the same for both pins, or at least too close to argue about.


We now return to our regular programming.

Then you must be doing some funny math.

The average price according to the same quote website on a GnR is $2600.  The original crazy offer price from TGlover was $4500, that is 43% more then the average price of a GNR.

The average price of a Getaway is 1395 and I'm offering $2000 that is only that is only 30% more then the average price.  

That's a difference mathematically of 13% so I fail to see how my offer is anything like the Tglover offer.  

Also that just the offer price, what I'm willing to pay for the right machine.   If the machine is mint, in full working order and doesn't need a shop job, I'll pay 2K.  But the second you add in things like flipper rebuilds, shop jobs, wear, cabinet fade and the price starts to drop.  

The other thing I always find funny about these "Well I only paid $750"  Yea how long ago was that, maybe 5 years ago or more???  ?Yea exactly, find me a Getaway today for $750 that isn't beaten to sh!t.

Quoted from Vengeance

Then you must be doing some funny math.

The average price according to the same quote website on a GnR is $2600.  The original crazy offer price from TGlover was $4500, that is 43% more then the average price of a GNR.

The average price of a Getaway is 1395 and I'm offering $2000 that is only that is only 30% more then the average price.  

That's a difference mathematically of 13% so I fail to see how my offer is anything like the Tglover offer.  

Well, here's the real math :

For the HSII     $2000 - 1395 = approx. 600 above average.   600 / 1395 = 43 %.  You gotta divide the 600 by the 1395, not the 2000.

For the GnR :   4000 ( Mrhide's stated price ) - 2600 = 1400.   1400 / 2600 = 54 %.  So it's a difference of 11%.

Of course, if you use TGlover's $4600 , the math changes.  However, if anyone thinks the average price of a GnR is $2600, they are stoned.

I still don't think anyone can comfortably say that 43% above market is reasonable but 54% is insane.  I mean, come on.


Anyway, please never question my math skills again.  I'll let it go this time.  

Quoted from Vengeance

The average price of a Getaway is 1395.

Put me down for six of those really nice $1395 Getaways please.

I've been doing this WPC thing for awhile. These prices are comical. I mean other than total turd bucket where has the $1395 HSII been in my life?

Quoted from mrniceguy

Anyway, please never question my math skills again.  I'll let it go this time.

Good to know the next time someone is looking for the prime number.

"Turd bucket" makes me laugh.

I've got a lot of prime numbers.  Just give me a shout whenever you need one.

I must be a real sucker because I paid more than average book value for most all my machines, and put lots of hours and parts in them afterward.

Now, on the other hand once I have everything done they are well worth it to me.

The other night for TOPL I admit I was I was ill prepared having so recently acquired several new machines that needed work and have fixed up and installed lots of parts in several of my machines this week. I do not stop until I am satisfied they are up to snuff.

I believe most of my games when all done are worth more than average price.  However I am not in it for profit, which completely puzzles some people I know.

Anyway I don't know why but it seems I have seen Mr. Hide comment that such and such machine is worth whatever (usually less than the seller wants) one more than one occasion. I for one would just pack up a machine and put it into storage if I felt that despite my input some outside influence had reduced the value to a losing proposition for me. And I am just talking what I spent, not the man hours which I don't give a dollar value.

I have sunk over $1100.00 into Barracora, for example, with a book value of about $700.00 The game plays great from originally being a basket case, I have a spare set of working  MPU/Driver boards now and I could never sell it for cash as nobody would appreciate what I have put into it.

[I have sunk over $1100.00 into Barracora, for example, with a book value of about $700.00 The game plays great from originally being a basket case, I have a spare set of working  MPU/Driver boards now and I could never sell it for cash as nobody would appreciate what I have put into it. [/quote]

I would appreciate it for $700.  In fact I could even be talked into making you a certificate!!!  No seriously, I hear you!

Example myself T2 fair shape, paid $1,400.00
New skull, ship, plastics, protective plastics, flipper rebuild, new coils, leds, I could go on & on.
$800.00 easy in parts & still spending.
I’m sure my T2 don’t have a book value of $2,500
I guess my value is making the pin top notch myself & doing anything I can.
That’s the hobby that kicks in + it’s a lot of fun replacing parts something I enjoy…

Everyone goes on and on about how they don't want to lose money on games.  I don't get it.  You have to pay to play.  If I am reselling another collectible, like a classic car, do I have to add up how much all the tires I have used, the oil changes, the car washes, the fan belts, the transmission fluid, the brake fluid, the waxes, the insurance etc......

This is a hobby where you have to pay extra in order to keep these things running in great condition.  If I own a game for 3 years and sell it for the same, or even a bit less, I look at it as the money it cost me to keep it running.  I don't try to justify it to myself that I need to make a profit, after I have enjoyed a game for many years, like some others need to.

im with monkeybug on this one....

as long (if your lucky) to get your money out of it...good for you....enjoy the time used on the machine, accept the wear and tear to keep it the same and most important you still have ALL those quarters!

my opinion only

Just to add one more thing... I don't even want to add up my entire costs for my IJ restoration, which included TWO complete teardowns and TWO clearcoat jobs.  The first one was messed up by one of the more famous RGP'ers in the states who does it.  This is why I am sticking with Poolman from now on.

But, when my 4 year old decided one day to dress up as Indiana Jones and run around the house, this picture just made it all seem all worthwhile.  Well almost...

All sensible things being said here.  Warren nailed it.  Chris nailed it.  

I'm glad I'm not the only one who believes that taking a loss on a game is sometimes just the cost of renting the machine for a while.  I just sold my JP at a small loss.  Didn't sweat it a bit.  Nice young couple.  I enjoyed the game for a few months, learned a few things, and that's that.

Of course, there are also the machines that you can make a little money from.  That basket-case that you breathe life back into, or that decent pin that blossoms into a really decent pin can seomtimes net you a few bucks and helps to stem the tide of money that seems to flow from your pockets, sometimes more like a frickin' tsunami than a tide really.

Anyway, you take the bad with the good.  Some people unfortunately don't see it that way.

Just FYI for everyone....

I still need to find a Getaway