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I could scan this and easily fix it in Corel. What do you do with the digital artwork after that?


That is the thousand dollar question.  There is an answer out there, I just haven't had time to put it into practice yet.  LFI  Large Format Inkjet.


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Quoted from websherpa
That is the thousand dollar question.


Unfortunately if it were only a thousand dollar question many, including me, would be doing it. I have a feeling it's a 10's of thousand dollars answer.

Besides you would still get people saying it was some process color vice using X number of screens like the original. Look at the criticisms direct ink is getting from Wayne. When I chatted with Steve he had mentioned about his screening process and how the older glasses are several screens and the newer ones are 4 color process. CYMK I am guessing. If I recall Scorpion probably has 8 or 9 colors plus chrome. How the hell would you print chrome?

For that matter how the hell did they originally do it?



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This one wan't swampy. It came from Aurora a year ago I was told to be "repaired" but never got the board work it needed.

I don't think I am going to have any luck with the BG. Too few made and it was the era of the shitty BG production techniques. Steve never made repros unlike Firepower. Sparky what do you think? Candidate for airbrush repair?




I can always try... it won't be mint, but it could be better.


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If I recall Scorpion probably has 8 or 9 colors plus chrome. How the hell would you print chrome?

For that matter how the hell did they originally do it?



I don't know, but I did fix one easy once. All I did was buy a cheap plexi mirror and cut it in small sections. I then sealed it on the dead bg using Triple-Thick. It wasn't pretty from the backside, but it looked good from the front.


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Necro there is a guy experimenting with direct ink backglasses. There is a colour layer, a translucent white layer, and a chrome layer. First one just sold:

http://cgi.ebay.ca/Seawitch-Ba.....p=TL090127169001r825

his website:

http://greatpinball.com/index.html

there is also some discussion about it on RGP.


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Backglass idea:

I was recently considering taking a photograph of a pool hall, getting it blown-up to life size (wall mural) on sticky mylar type media, then sticking it to my white wall to give the impression that my basement went WAY DEEP into a commercial Pool Hall...  (would have been cool, but changed my concept mid-way through...)

Nonetheless...   I did discover that SOME commercial printing companies (I enquired with "Norman-Wade" in Hamilton), will actually take your high quaility photograph/scan and print it in any size you like on whatever media you wish (canvas, plastic, mylar, sticky-mylar) (not sure about glass?.  from there you just peel and stick...  or make a Translite.   Never tried it as I didn't need too, but if you have a high quality picture, I don't see why a Translite can't be produced VERY easily and fairly Cheaply.....  

By my last estimate, a Translite print job would cost about $30-$60 from this company.

Worst case, you get a sticky Mylar that you stick yourself....

Now the only problem is finding a good glass to photograph........

Good luck... and if anyone tries this method, let me know how it turns out please.
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It goes a bit deeper than that Terence, only because there are some parts of the backglass that are opaqued so that they don't transmit any light at all.  And then, of course there is the silvered areas.  BUT, my thinking was that you could at least get something half-way decent and cut and laminate some opaquing vinyl in the appropriate spots.  I do remember seeing a rather good run down of the process (with more than one layer) on another site somewhere, but it will take me some time to find it as I had a rather bad hard drive crash last week and I am still picking up the pieces.


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Here's one method described: http://bingo.cdyn.com/market/gerlitz.html but I am sure I've seen a full blown step by step on this method.

Here's a bit of a tutorial: http://www.users.on.net/~bradandpam/pinball/bgscan.html

Ed Cheung has some links, but I still can't find the step by step that I "think" I saw:  http://www.edcheung.com/album/album06/Pinball/ss_backglass.htm


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I don't know, but I did fix one easy once. All I did was buy a cheap plexi mirror and cut it in small sections. I then sealed it on the dead bg using Triple-Thick. It wasn't pretty from the backside, but it looked good from the front.


The chrome parts are ok on this glass.



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