Only 3 games in the list appeal to me and i already have 2 of 'em . That being said , anyone knows where there ' s a phatom for sale ??? No , seriously , xenon ; between $1,000 and $1,400 - centaur and phatom ; between $2,000 and $3,000 . Of course , it all depends on what shape it is . As for the others , i couldn ' t say , due to a lack of interest ...
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I wouldn't pay anything for any of them becuase none of them interest me in the slightest. Well.... maybe Fathom and Centaur. But they would have to be cheap!
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My opinion on what I think is a fair price NOT somebody trying to score a deal to flip ? means no interest in the game so I have no idea of going rate.
Good luck on those. I have been watching those titles for years. Can you say "basket case" if you do get one for that? The rest sound like a lot of wishful thinking and are probably the absolute lowest I have seen them go for which means your going to get all of them for the best price people collectively got. Can you say optimist?
I agree with Medvet but I would say AFM is going to be closer to $4K.
Good luck on those. I have been watching those titles for years. Can you say "basket case" if you do get one for that? The rest sound like a lot of wishful thinking and are probably the absolute lowest I have seen them go for which means your going to get all of them for the best price people collectively got. Can you say optimist?
Good luck on those. I have been watching those titles for years. Can you say "basket case" if you do get one for that? The rest sound like a lot of wishful thinking and are probably the absolute lowest I have seen them go for which means your going to get all of them for the best price people collectively got. Can you say optimist?
I agree with Medvet but I would say AFM is going to be closer to $4K.
Phil is just answering the question. That's the most *he would pay* for those games.
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Personally, I pay what I pay and its no ones business. So if they're for sale put a price on them. Whats the point of this post? Seriously.
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My opinion on what I think is a fair price NOT somebody trying to score a deal to flip ? means no interest in the game so I have no idea of going rate.
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pretty close except the AFM would be at least a grand more for a 100% working one. Price on that title is going up up up. Couple could be a bit cheaper, BSD, HH, Stargate , CFBL i've seen selling alot cheaper these days. Buy a $600 HS and it'll be worn to the wood, never going to find a great HS for $600 anywhere, nevermind make it the average going price...sure for the beat ones. STTNG is selling pretty low in the US and pretty high up here so its hard to say. Buying it in Canada STTNG is pricey nowadays.
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The point is if you were willing to pay the going rate for this stuff you'd already own it.... so your right this post should be filed with the "rant".
I had a hardtime selling my STTNG for 2200$ not a very long time ago, i find prices to be very different from say Toronto or Montreal, can be even worst in Quebec city when nobody wants to drive up there.
Sold my 2 GnR around 3400$ each if that's of any help, both had been shopped and 100% working.
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How much would you pay for a MINT or high end restoration game?
It cost more than book value to restore a WH20.
Great point, Poolman. Not all collectors appreciate an exceptional quality of game and most of those folks like to piss on the value others assign to a game.
For example, try finding a nice WH20 for under $2K (minor playfield wear, no cabinet fade, no breaks on the ramps, minor plastic breaks) or a nice GetAway for $1,800 (no playfield wear, no cabinet fade). I've been looking and haven't seen them. Yet if you asked the group for prices of these two games, I bet they would say less than the prices I have stated.
I have bought "deals" before only to be disappointed with the quality of the game. Then I play it for awhile, fix it up (deals always have issues), and sell to recoup my money later. But they aren't keepers. I've been collecting for over 10 years, I want nice games. That's the evolution of my collection. By now, I've pretty much owned every game I've wanted. Now I want NICE examples, perfect if I can find and afford them.
Like some members who assign realistic values, I appreciate quality and will assign a fair price for a quality game.
As Adam has pointed out, Whitewater is the most expensive game to mint out. You have to really love the game to go the path of a complete restore. The ramps alone are crazy money. Many collectors do, but it's not for the faint of wallet
As Adam has pointed out, Whitewater is the most expensive game to mint out. You have to really love the game to go the path of a complete restore. The ramps alone are crazy money. Many collectors do, but it's not for the faint of wallet
I plan on doing it to mine once I get a few more projects out of the way. The value of Wh20 has been steadily rising and I've seen fully restored ones being posted for sale at the $3500 mark. People realize the tremendous amount of money it takes to bring these machines back and their value is increasing as a result from what I'm seeing.
For example, try finding a nice WH20 for under $2K (minor playfield wear, no cabinet fade, no breaks on the ramps, minor plastic breaks) or a nice GetAway for $1,800 (no playfield wear, no cabinet fade). I've been looking and haven't seen them. Yet if you asked the group for prices of these two games, I bet they would say less than the prices I have stated.
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What are you talking about? I had a great WH20 for sale for under $2k 1.5 years ago, it was as you describe here, you came to look at, and you passed on it. Have you changed your criteria in your search?
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What are you talking about? I had a great WH20 for sale for under $2k 1.5 years ago, it was as you describe here, you came to look at, and you passed on it. Have you changed your criteria in your search?
You had a decent White Water. I pointed out the issues with your White Water when I looked at it. The ramps had cracks and some breaks if I recall, there was playfield wear in a few areas, I cann't recall if the playfield had stress cracks or not. More than a few plastics were broken. I think some mountains were broken as well -- these bad boys cost money to replace. So no my criteria hasn't changed.
At the time, I told you it was fairly priced at your asking price. I simply stated I wanted a nicer one and was willing to pay the extra $300 or so to get it.
I plan on doing it to mine once I get a few more projects out of the way. The value of Wh20 has been steadily rising and I've seen fully restored ones being posted for sale at the $3500 mark. People realize the tremendous amount of money it takes to bring these machines back and their value is increasing as a result from what I'm seeing.
I haven't really followed restored White Waters, but I do recall seeing some in the last year or so that were fully restored and less than $3K. Perhaps there was a need for money, I'm not sure.
Personally I think it would be more cost effective to buy a restored game than to pay the dollars to restore one. I'm not talking HEP restore. At the end of the day, after you have put the new ramps, new playfield, etc. I think you would have a tough time getting your money back if you ever needed it. White Water is fun, but it's not $3,500 fun in my opinion.
I haven't really followed restored White Waters, but I do recall seeing some in the last year or so that were fully restored and less than $3K. Perhaps there was a need for money, I'm not sure.
Personally I think it would be more cost effective to buy a restored game than to pay the dollars to restore one. I'm not talking HEP restore. At the end of the day, after you have put the new ramps, new playfield, etc. I think you would have a tough time getting your money back if you ever needed it. White Water is fun, but it's not $3,500 fun in my opinion.
I've been looking for the last year I'd say for a Wh20 in restored shape for $2500 or less and they don't exist. The people that are restoring them are holding on to them and if they are selling them they want big money.
I only paid $1200 for my machine, it will need:
Decals - $400 Ramps - $700 Boulders - $400 Pf Work or New PF - $800 I need the Topper Dome - $70
That and the fact that I'm such an anal retentive a**hole when it comes to restores that if someone else did it and I paid that kind of money I'd be picking out flaws left and right I'm sure, that I think I'd rather just do it myself.
It means if you want anything from me I'm chargin' your a** off since I don't want to go hunting for decent ones again.
I bought games from you and you were fair, I sell games and I think I'm just beeing fair too. I'll indeed let you know if I tired of STTNG at 2100$. no problem.
I mean that when you're looking to buy, the prices are always high ... and if you look at what people are willing to pay, it's indeed usually cause THEY OWN that game and think it's worth that much thus won't sell it lower.
When it's time to sell a game, then all of a sudden, everybody thinks they can make 100$ more then they paid the game. That's how The Getaway, a 1200$ game is now selling for 1700$. Hey that much better for the seller but YOU THE BUYER is the one driving those prices up. When one person buys a GNR at 4600$, all the GNR owners now value their game at 4600$ !! YOU TRY TO SELL IT AT THAT PRICE... WHEN YOU GET THE MONEY, only then can you actually say that.
Restoration? in my experience, don't count on somebody to pay more because of it. you're doing it FOR YOURSELF and nobody else.
and btw, I sold my LOTR 3400$ to a really nice buyer, unseen and no pictures.
...and I bought a beat up BSD for 1200$ and a Roadshow for 1800$
Anything else anyone wants to know?
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I would not like to pay more for a title than what I sold it for previously...
...in other words, the value of some machines from a personal perspective rise/lower based on my own past sales/purchases. I'm sure its similar for a lot of folks. The book value is the starting point, then you use your experience to judge what you've seen before and how rare it is and the desire to own one, and you impatience to wait for a better deal.
...i'm also willing to pay a lot more if its local and owned by a "collector"
I bought games from you and you were fair, I sell games and I think I'm just beeing fair too. I'll indeed let you know if I tired of STTNG at 2100$. no problem.
I mean that when you're looking to buy, the prices are always high ... and if you look at what people are willing to pay, it's indeed usually cause THEY OWN that game and think it's worth that much thus won't sell it lower.
When it's time to sell a game, then all of a sudden, everybody thinks they can make 100$ more then they paid the game. That's how The Getaway, a 1200$ game is now selling for 1700$. Hey that much better for the seller but YOU THE BUYER is the one driving those prices up. When one person buys a GNR at 4600$, all the GNR owners now value their game at 4600$ !! YOU TRY TO SELL IT AT THAT PRICE... WHEN YOU GET THE MONEY, only then can you actually say that.
Restoration? in my experience, don't count on somebody to pay more because of it. you're doing it FOR YOURSELF and nobody else.
and btw, I sold my LOTR 3400$ to a really nice buyer, unseen and no pictures.
...and I bought a beat up BSD for 1200$ and a Roadshow for 1800$
Anything else anyone wants to know?
oh yeah ... Solar Fire is sold for 1800$
j'me trompe, ou, t'a pas l'aire de bonne humeur Phil? que est que j'ai fait? Est ce que c'est a moi que tu pointe tout ces details? La Catacomb a été restauré pour que je puisse la vendre et j'ai seulement charger les produits. que la restoration m'a couté. Je l'ai payer 875$ ce que j'ai vendu il y une semaine. J'ai encore "ma" Catacomb....celle que j'ai vendu il y a une semaine (je l'avait acheter 1 semaine auparavant) c'etait une autre que j'ai acheter pour prendre la voice chip pour la mettre sur la mienne. j'ai presque toujours perdu de l'argent sur les game que vend....j'ai jamais perdu autant d'argent que depuis que je suis dans ce hobby. La seule que j'ai un profit dessus c'est la Joust que J'ai vendu a Steph, si tu peux appeller ca un profit quand tu va toi meme la chercher en Californie.
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I bought games from you and you were fair, I sell games and I think I'm just beeing fair too.
It was mostly a joke. What motivates me to buy and sell is usually the desire for a game and living with limited space. As far as money comes in I guess it's down to what's fair.
Let's put it this way. If I won the lottery I would even care less about what I was spending and paying $12,000 for a NIB BBB would be just fine. Not that I think the game merits the money when compared to other games in a relative sense, but simply that would be the path of least resistance to get a nice one sent to your door. If you had all the money in the world and the space that could provide me, things would be different for sure.
There's few kind of buyers 1- Buyer who want any pin in working condition and make a deal. 2- Buyer who want a particular pin because he really want this title. 3- Buyer who want any project pin 4- Buyer who want a particular project pin and more ....
I prefer to sell to the buyer who want a particular pin he really want. Don't want to sell a nice classic the same price to any particular pin with no ''classic'' value.
For example buyer 1 want a Xenon for 1000$ and buyer 2 will buy for more.
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From my limited experience I find that if I know from seeing and playing or the recommendations from others that know better (when I was just starting out in the hobby), I am willing to pay a bit more for a machine then the so called book value. Case in point everybody told me that Getaway is a keeper in a decent collection so when I found one that was decent I paid a bit more than it was probably worth in its condition. I am sure the seller was flipping it for a profit. Then I went ahead and bought a brand new DMD for it as there was an obvious line out in the old one. I also refitted it 100% in LED's.
I am sure there are ones out there that cost less and probably ones in a bit better condition, but I plan to keep this one and will more than get the value from it in the entertainment value. If I ever go to sell it if it ends up going for a bit less than it cost then the difference paid for the enjoyment I got.
People that really inflate the value of machines that they might eventually sell might be looking to take a profit or protect their investment. I guess if you have enough of your cash sunk into machines they must be looked at as investments as well, otherwise just buy mutual funds with the cash. That's their perogative but since I don't like grinding down people when buying they ultimately might make that machine out of reach for me. I don't want to buy a game I know I will lose significantly on if I want to sell.
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No , seriously , xenon ; between $1,000 and $1,400 - centaur and phatom ; between $2,000 and $3,000 . Of course , it all depends on what shape it is . As for the others , i couldn ' t say , due to a lack of interest ... 
? means no interest in the game so I have no idea of going rate.
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