I will let you all make your own conclusions. In the meantime, I will ban that IP for security measures. But if someone has any concrete info, call the cops, then contact Mr.Pinball... I am sure that Daina Pettit would LOVE to update is blacklist info...
I will let you all make your own conclusions. In the meantime, I will ban that IP for security measures. But if someone has any concrete info, call the cops, then contact Mr.Pinball... I am sure that Daina Pettit would LOVE to update is blacklist info...
Hey! I once dealt with this guy on ebay, he's the one that bought my Bally Elektra pinball machine! He had paid me in full but only after 7 weeks of waiting for the paiement. I always wondered why he was'nt an Ebay member anymore too!!?? Now I understand, I guess I was lucky he ever paid me. I had even talked on the phone with him three times, he kept saying that paiement was coming soon.
Jesus, this is brutal...Brock, if I can help, I will...this guy has to be stopped. First thing's first, let's get some facts organized if I can....this is important if only to highlight that the communication mysteries with this guy sound precisely the same as when he "dealt" with me, in terms of modus operandi....
I'm Teamatomics, my real name is Craig, always has been, always will be. My Ebay ID has always been Teamatomics, my email has never changed, ever.
Now the guy in question, who's name I guess is Will gartner? Jebsen? .....wierd, he said his name was Shelby!? He won my Phantom Pin auction in Nov of 2007 for $2100 and weeks later, after a lot of back and forth with shipping arrangements, he finally sent me the deposit to go ahead and crate the machine. It was just wierd, he took so long to give me a shipping address, how could it take so long for someone to give a destination address? There was always this wierd "delay" everytime I asked him for his info, and yet he "did" send me the deposit, so why would he be mysterious??
So...since he "did" send the deposit, I did my part, despite the oddities. I rented a van, hired some people to help move it from my basement to crate it in my parents' garage, same as I did with the Kiss machine that I shipped to Australia. I e-mailed "Shelby" and even spoke to him on the phone to let him know when the machine was crated and ready...even if it was just to tell him I bought the materials, because I know when I've paid upfront long distance, I REALLY like to hear from the person that has my deposit money regularly, don't we all??
He said he'd work on getting the rest of the money for the machine...again, wierd, but I had a bit of faith in the deposit, fine, so I bought+cut all the wood and I crated the machine, and e-mailed him to ask for the rest of the money so I could ship it. Then things went wierder...he didn't get back to me. And even though he'd phone me, he wouldn't give me a number to call him back at....that's the wierdest part. Why would a guy send me a deposit and then not give me his home phone number? I always assume the best in people, I'm a bit naive I guess?? So I left it crated and e-mailed him repeatedly, from my single, and only e-mail address.......The same address I've always had, which is in my Maaca info still to this day, and Ebay. Never changed, ever.
Months later....in the spring, I decided to sell my Twilight Zone, and guess who e-mailed me with a new Ebay ID, yes, Shelby, or Will! After I said the Phantom is still waiting if he wanted it, or, use his deposit toward the Twilight Zone. He said he was having some "problems" with Ebay, so he'd use his brother's Ebay ID to buy my Twilight Zone...again, weird I thought, but he "did" actually give me the deposit, so I thought he was genuine...
So, this time, before I spent another fortune on moving,packing and crating the TZ, I asked Shelby for FULL payment before I crated it...and then it started again, no responses, or little responses, then, nothing. I did the "contact buyer" correspondance, I mailed his old address, he contacted me to let me know he was taking out a line of credit to pay for it all, then I never got a reponse from him again...I gave up after about 2 months of trying to contact him.
By this point, I had paid for Auction fees on about $5000 worth of TZ and Phantom auctions for Shelby, Paypal fees, building, moving and crating Phantom, and a lot of hours in labour. So I had to sell TZ, I couldn't afford to keep it, and eventually sold it locally, and still, until this day, Shelby/Will hasn't responded to any of my emails, either through Ebay, or my regular hotmail address.
And so the Phantom sat crated after a year, I pulled it apart to make sure the machine was still ok, I mean, it sat there for a year, and is still there in the same garage where weeks ago, Sparky came and picked up my dead Crystal Castles cocktail, which was 3 yards away from where the Phantom is still sitting, wrapped back up over a year later, waiting for the rest of the payment from Shelby, Will, Jebsen or whomever he is.
I just don't get it....and now I've spent hundreds of dollars in labour, materials and auction fees on two transactions that Shelby/Will/ Mr Jebsen hasn't followed through with. The Phantom is still here, waiting for the rest of the payment, so I guess I'll keep waiting? what do I do?
I would just put it back up for sale, he loses the deposit. Seems more than fair.
Hi Jeffo, I even reposted it on Ebay because I figured Shelby/Jebsen/Will would hopefully find the auction and contact me again to pay for it, like he contacted me for the TZ, but again, nothing. I posted it at a crazy price so that it would come up in the top price listings thinking maybe he'd see it, but he never saw it I guess.
All this was even done through Ebay, which I thought would be smooth. It's cost me a lot of money to pursue, move,crate and uncrate and repost this machine to try and get a response from him. I'm not sure what the legalities are, but I will hold up my end of the bargain until I find out. The Phantom's still here, awaiting the rest of the payment.
I really hope justice finds him for Machine Slave.
The good news is, Shelby/Will/Mr Jebsen "wants" to find me because he's convinced himself that I've "run" somewhere, when I've been at the same e-mail address all along, lol.
So I guess rest assured Machine Slave, if the hitman visits me, I'll ask him about your cash as well for you. I worked in Truck Warranty for years, so being shoved around and threatened by mechanics and Teamsters is not new to me, it's scary, but I still go out to meet them alone in the yard if that's where this is all going. We'll solve this one just like the missing R2D2 telephone casefile.
To me I have a different take on it all from your story. I am thinking this guy may have problems with his previous ebay account because he has a different MO. I am thinking he may deliberately gives impression of limited contact. Provides for a limited deposit or the impression of late payment on the basis that the seller may in fact jump the gun and ship before full payment.
It sounds like you were very diligent in trying to contact him and go through each and every step of the lengthy process he created for you to send him this pin, and in doing so ended up where you did with partial payment and a pin wrapped up for a year. At any point had you not been so diligent and either canceled the deal or shipped the pin out of being expeditious, then you would have not ended up in dispute with this individual whose MO in the end cost him a deposit. Had things gone the other way that others lacking patients would have gone; he would have ended up with a free pin or one for just the price of deposit, or the deal would have been canceled due to the guy being unable to promptly fulfill his commitment.
Any way you look at it, if the guy buys your pin on Ebay, he shouldn't come to you as the seller and say he's trying to find a way to pay for what he just agreed to buy. The guy is a jerk to commit to the auction without the money in hand.
Provides for a limited deposit or the impression of late payment on the basis that the seller may in fact jump the gun and ship before full payment.
Exactly !
I'm sure he was hoping that Craig would be naively trusting and ship the pin before getting the full payment.
I do this often with eproms, but the most I stand to lose if someone stiffs me is $10-20, not $2000 !
Seems like Craig did the very wise thing to hold off for the full payment (... which he will no doubt never get at this point... ), and hang-on to the pin.
At this point, the likely most "noble" thing to do is refund the money (...minus some cash for your time and expenses ) and re-sell the pin.
But honestly, if it were me, and I found out someone deliberately tried to screw me, he could kiss his deposit goodbye.
It seems like Craig has a solid paper trail (via eBay) so that if the guy ever did try to file a fraud complaint, he wouldn't have much to stand on..
I'd also contact the RCMP officer mentioned on the Blacklist notice.
This guy seems like a pretty shady character (...oh, and I'm SURE he's reading this thread too... )
At this point, the likely most "noble" thing to do is refund the money (...minus some cash for your time and expenses ) and re-sell the pin.
Depends on how much deposit, what the conditions of the deposit were and how much you were out for doing all the work, paying the listing and holding up the sale.
In the end I would say in most cases where this amount of work is required to sell and prepare the game for shipment, the deposit should be non-refundable and sufficient enough to cover all costs should the buyer not continue through with his contractual agreement. Therefore an amount no more or no less than the expenses incurred including your time to prepare the game at reasonable movers charges, should the buyer back out of the deal.
I think that is an important point to state some sort of reasonable deadline for full payment and terms of refund. I always try to make a note of when full payment is expected or else the deal becomes null and void.
I'm sure he was hoping that Craig would be naively trusting and ship the pin before getting the full payment.
I do this often with eproms, but the most I stand to lose if someone stiffs me is $10-20, not $2000 !
Seems like Craig did the very wise thing to hold off for the full payment (... which he will no doubt never get at this point... ), and hang-on to the pin.
At this point, the likely most "noble" thing to do is refund the money (...minus some cash for your time and expenses ) and re-sell the pin.
Steph, you're quite right. Here's how it went down....I asked for the deposit because I knew the cost of taking apart, moving, and crating a machine. I "was" going to cross ship it even! since he seemed genuine with the deposit, even if it was slow to come. (around $1000 IIRC). Then when I contacted him about the destination address, and he became oddly reluctant to provide the destination or give me his phone number? I got red-flag scared...against my usual faith in humanity.
Then when the calls stopped coming, and he wouldn't answer my e-mails anymore, I went through possible scanarios, ( maybe he got hospitalized, maybe he lost his home, maybe....) So I waited for him to contact me, and held on to the machine, since HE has ALWAYS had my e-,ail address, he'd get back to me when he came around...right?.....not quite...why would he not contact me? not even through Ebay?? Then he tried to burn me with the Twilight Zone....with the same promise that he'd get a line of credit....no payment came, then no responses.
Also, as you can see from Machine Slave's post, the guy even referred to me as Teamatomics...so he's always known who I am....and I'm Teamatomics everywhere, RGVAC, KLOV, everywhere! He told me his name was Shelby, and we still really don't know what it is.
Now, at least, for Machine Slave's sake, I have some deposit money after I invoice him for crating, de-crating, and auction fees on Phantom and the TZ, plus the lithium batteries I had to install so that if he took ANOTHER year to pay me, the boards would have a chance of survival, I have all the receipts for the materials, rentals, etc.
So if he contacts me for a refund, rest assured you'll be first to know what transpires.
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