Quoted from b1buwg97

I think the police should have the right to just shoot the fuckers...

If I am a cop and see some a**hole jumping up and down on my cruiser lighting it on fire... I tell him/her 3 Times step down, hjands behind your back and kneel to be cuffed...

They don't comply I use leather force... done...

Shoot a couple I bet the rest of them would back off...

Sounds like it would be a long road to make a JAG out of you.

Somebody please explain how burning police cruisers and spreading graffiti are a way of changing things for the better.  A real protest does not involve violence and property damage. You will not attract respected people to further your cause this way.

IMHO these events just give hooligans an excuse to act up and try and play out their fantasies of rebellion and spreading anarchy. They are common criminals and will be treated as such. Its almost as if the news of a massive security force poses a challenge to them that they must act out through violent behaviour.

On any other week, can you imagine anyone having the balls to torch a police cruiser?

Quoted from b1buwg97

They don't comply I use leather force... done...

Leather force? Yikes!



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Seriously it does seem interesting that most of us say enforce the law to the utmost, yet we, as a society, continue to tolerate this crap. Amazing!

Quoted from takochef

Police are the last people we need to give shoot to kill orders.. There's a simpler & better way..

We let the army patrol the streets at night with shoot to kill orders to protect property from graffit assaults.

there probably will be a few deaths but it will send the message we don't tolerate bullshit.. once they start to think twice about even using spray cans, they'll think even less about nilistic destruction of property when the cameras of the world are focused on an event.


The problem will go away but history has sadly taught us, it will be even harder to get rid of the miltary prescence afterwards

I disagree across the board on this one. The Canadian Military role is to defend Canadian, Canadians, and Canadian interests. Enforcement on the Rule of Law falls solely on police and the justice system. That being said there have been cases in Canadian history where our military have been mobilized because the proper authorities can no longer maintain order, but it has been and always should be a last case situation.

There has never been of a case that I'm aware of that the Canadian military refusing to return authority to back to Civil powers.

Reminds me of Monty Python and the Holy Grail.  "I am being oppressed".  

Quoted from TwilightZone

Leather force? Yikes!



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Seriously it does seem interesting that most of us say enforce the law to the utmost, yet we, as a society, continue to tolerate this crap. Amazing!

Thats exactly what I meant

Protesting "The Man" gives "The Man" even more control. The protesters are behaving exactly as expected. Eliminatation of dissent is easily achieved with the help of the media and now social networking. Give society a spectacle (burning police cars) and we all feel safer.

Quoted from Kingston Pete

There has never been of a case that I'm aware of that the Canadian military refusing to return authority to back to Civil powers.

That would be a military dictatorship. When Aid to the Civil Power is called upon it is done so through the Solicitor General of the affected province who is responsible for police and law enforcement for that province. The main issue is it is a request.

The military will aid the federal government with it's own responsibilities which differs from Aid to the Civil Power.

http://www.admfincs.forces.gc.ca/qro-orf/vol-01/doc/chapter-chapitre-023.pdf

All Canadians already pay for the solution for people like this in there taxes.

Now all Canadians have to do is lobby to let the solution out...


Hint....the solution wears green

I don't think this situation calls for martial law. What might have been good would be for some of these assholes to feel what it's like to get hit in the gut with rubber bullets. The thing is, the cowards that trashed retail stores, cars and property are putting a strain on businesses that will have to pay for all the damage as well
as taxpayers.

So, priority#1 was to protect the G20 delegates and participants, leaving priority#2 protect from property damage. This is the result as the police are focussed elsewhere.

In the end there are a bunch of anonymous balaclava covered vandals who can brag about the adrenaline rush from destroying other peoples property. Nothing here resembles a demonstration against world hunger, economics, or politics. These are vandals who have taken to the streets in their very own Haloween.

I hate lowlifes.

Quoted from Kingston Pete

I disagree across the board on this one.

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There has never been of a case that I'm aware of that the Canadian military refusing to return authority to back to Civil powers.

i was refering to history in general, not canadian military history.  Power corrupts absolutely.


but it sure be nice for the Army to target graffiti vandals this summer.   I'm rather  tired of seeing entire neighbourhoods trashed by whinny nilistists who can't accept the fact they arn't artists and rather incapable of drawing even a single nice line on paper. That the only attention they can get is the rush of trashing property (anonymously).


What the Canadian justice system should do is apply a liberal dose of  innuit justice.
ie the middle of january, airlift the 500 or so hoodlums about 200 kilometers north of Meta Incognita Peninsula, with a sandwhich or two,  some matches and wish them good luck on returning to civilization. That they can spend some quality time meditating on survival skills and pulling together as functional society.. see how far their whinning or destruction habits get them back to land..

Quoted from takochef

I'm rather  tired of seeing entire neighbourhoods trashed by whinny nilistists who can't accept the fact they arn't artists and rather incapable of drawing even a single nice line on paper. That the only attention they can get is the rush of trashing property (anonymously).

I agree, there has been a real loss of courtesy, responsibility, and community. I have a great example that I witnessed today. My wife and I go to the movies, and we see this young boy with his feet up on the seat infront of him. Worse yet, his father is there, and also has his stinking, dirty feet resting on the seat in front. A gentleman siting behind these two, politely leans forward and says "son, please take your feet down, it's not polite". The kid turns around and verbally flies right into this guy, and worse yet the father turns around, tells the man that he has no right to talk to his son, and that he should mind his business and act like an adult.

Now that example is no where as extreme as what is happening in Toronto, but it all stems from the same "root problem", that many of us have no idea what is acceptable, and alot more could care less.