Does the "first with cash" rule apply if Glen offered to wire the money?  Kinda "null and voids" all sympathy for the seller..  I'm just sayin.

Quoted from machine.slave

Does the "first with cash" rule apply if Glen offered to wire the money?  Kinda "null and voids" all sympathy for the seller..  I'm just sayin.

Exactly!  Mario doesn't have a leg to stand on Glenn offered money.  

Warren - Unfounded accusations like that are not called for, there is no proof at all that Mario took more money, all we can go on is the facts, the facts are Glenn had a deal in place, offered money and Mario sold it out from under him which is a completely lame thing to do.  

Quoted from MAGNETO

The machine was sold for the same price said to the first person with the money in hand. thats it and thats all. please dont make false assumptions

Not taking sides on this one ,none of my bussniss. Just pointing out a few facts and yes that was one lame game why else do you think he wanted it out the door after three weeks ASAP??

Hmmmm, sounds like you know a lot about the transaction. I'm curious, Magneto, do you have any idea who bought this 'lame game'?

Quoted from wbradley

Hate to stick my nose in but Mario probably got an offer for more money and did the uncool thing and backed out of the deal.

That machine wouldn't have been difficult to sell since the previous owner was Bruno (mindstorm8 and so the electronics for sure would have been excellent.  Also, he had added the Deadzone mod making it even more attractive.

I suppose there is also a slight chance it was a language issue, just to give the benefit of the doubt.

NOT COOL!    (nuff said)

Not cooler to supposed thing on somebody when you don't know what really happen...

1.The machine wasn't sold for more money.

2.The machine was for sell for few months before Mindstorm got it so it's not an easier machine to sell than other machine. The proof, somebody outside of Maaca bought the pin answering an outside ad so Bruno or the mod aren't really a factor because it didn't mean anything to the buyer.  Glenn was the only serious Maaca offer.

3.About the cultural thing... it's bull#$%? for me,  we have a "drama" every three or four months here about how a deal turned bad or something like this...  and if you checked, the majority of them aren't french/english...  


Communication was the big problem in this story, maybe a little language problem, Mario really wanted that Glenn commit himself on the thread but few PM after you can think he accepted Glenn's word only.   Mario stick to his cash first rules but didn't make it clear enough to Glenn.


Let's get positive, you saved more than 1K

I'm just wondering what is the TRUE meaning of first with cash....?

I've "bought" plenty of pins on a phone conversation with the seller....stating that I would pick up the game immediately....but the seller was like 6 or even 10 hours away....Imagine, arriving there and the seller telling you....

Well, I'm sorry, I just sold the game to the first with cash....you were second...close but no cigar, my friend!!!!

Heu!!!!!??? I drove 10 hours for this????? Are you kidding me or what?

Again, I'm just wondering what is the TRUE mining of first with cash....?

tartagliag

Quoted from OTTOgd

Hmmmm, sounds like you know a lot about the transaction. I'm curious, Magneto, do you have any idea who bought this 'lame game'?

I was told some old man who thaught it would look cool next to his pool table,No one from here.

Quoted from tartagliag

I'm just wondering what is the TRUE meaning of first with cash....?


tartagliag

You're right... it's not a friendly way to make deal... I'm still in the gang who trust people, maybe I didn't lose enough money yet

Guys I'm now taking heat for making an accusation.

I see someone busting out on an agreement. Based on the fact that Glenn and Mario apparently had a deal, unless there was some misunderstanding due to language,  then Mario just went ahead and sold it to someone else.  And also Glenn had offered to pay immediately by online payment, there was no way Mario was going to get shafted. Mario, you should have told Glenn first with cash gets it then he probably wouldnt have planned a drive to QC. Did you? ( If so I am an idiot and this whole argument is stupid). If you didnt, again that was uncool.

So, guys, tell me why he shafted Glenn. What is the motive? Why go back on your word? Geez, I have made deals with people and insisted that they do not send me money until the exchange. I totally put my faith in the deal because thats good karma and the good faith among hobbyests.

If I sound like a bad guy suggesting the only motive I could think of, then make me the villain.

Mario, if you didnt want to sell this machine to Glenn, you should have said so. Otherwise you should have accepted the wire payment and gone through with the deal, not busted out on him last minute. Again, very uncool. Even stranger if you sold to the other for the same price.

PS _ French people and English people are the same culturally when it comes to honour. In fact I would say the French are maybe a bit more honourable (in Canada).

Quoted from powerslave

Like every body know,my english is not very good
Comme j'avais dit a plusieurs reprises aux pm que j'ai reçu:premier arrivé,premier servi
Par 3 fois j'avais dit a mrniceguy d'ecrire sur mon post qu'il achetait la game,ce qui me donnait une garantie d'achat,il ne voulait pas disant qu'il voulait rester anonyme (pourquoi? ? ?) Mario

My French is certainly nowhere near as good as Mario's english.  Still, I am able to understand enough of this post to know that he has interpreted my hesitance to physically post that I have bought the game as a sign of indecision.   There are a couple of reasons why I didn't post and they have nothing to do with the desire to remain secretive.   Initially, I did not understand exactly what Mario was asking, so I didn't comply.  Instead, I just repeated that I wanted the game, I was coming Saturday and would he like the money.  

In the next exchange, he repeated the request and then I finally understood what he was asking, but then I didn't understand WHY he was asking me to do that.  Of all the machines that I see change hands on MAACA, I can't ever recall seeing someone post "I just bought so-and-so's machine".  I thought, why should I be the first person to do this ?  Everyone else just buys a machine and the seller puts **SOLD** on the post and that's that.  More often than not, we don't even learn the identity of the seller right away.  I wondered why I shouldn't get that same consideration of anonymity...not because I needed it...I don't care who knows what I have bought or sold...but because I just wanted to do it the same way everyone else has.  I thought his request was too much.  So, in response to his second request that I state publicly that I bought the machine, I simply asked him to do what every other seller does and put **SOLD** on the thread.  

Looking back, I still don't know how my public claim of purchase would have made the transaction more airtight.  If I was really a prick, it wouldn't matter to me whether I made my purchase public or not.  i would just assume the seller would tell everyone that I was the prick anyway.  That's the only reason I asked Mario to post SOLD himself.  Even though some other, super-secret motive would be more exciting, it's simply not the case.

I don't like the thought of language being the issue.  I am very aware of the face that the French -speaking people on this site make a far greater effort to converse in English than the other way around.  But when Mario was looking for a particular pin, he had people assisting him in his search, people that were a little more So today, I have a good taste in my mouth. I've met some good people and life is sweet.

Good night fellow pinball losers.

Quoted from mrniceguy

.... I've met some good people and life is sweet.

I hope I am one of them! A damn shame you and your family had to leave... I love having people over.

Quoted from wbradley

PS _ French people and English people are the same culturally when it comes to honour. In fact I would say the French are maybe a bit more honourable (in Canada).

... wouldn't be the first time I was guilty of it....


But my observation is NOT a condemnation of Quebecois or any other culture (some of my dearest friends live in Quebec); I am only pointing out, and I'll stand by it with experience to back it up, that there are cultural and class differences in how we perceive "dealmaking" and how we establish "honour" and trust.  It's not the same for all people.  And there are many people on both sides who understand how the other deals (and some take advantage). It only has to do with dishonour if you don't follow your own codes.  I am pointing out that there are cultural, ethnic, class, language and historically based differences in the general make-up of those codes. It's sociology 101. Maybe it applies here, maybe it doesn't.

Mario has explained that his policy was "first come, first served" and that Glenn lost because he didn't post that he pledged to purchase the game which was the only guarantee he'd accept.  

Mario seems to have followed his own code ("first with cash gets it") in the discourse, up until he made this statement:

"That's ok. Have good travel and I'm waiting for you next Saturday and I'm put "sold" on my game. my phone is ___________  .  see you"

I think it's fair to assume that saying "have good travel" "I'm waiting for you" and "I'm put 'sold' on my game" was a pretty fair indication in any language that he intended to sell the game to Glenn regardless of whether Glenn was going to make the deal public.  Or at least that's how we perceive it.

Warren asks "What is the motive? Why go back on your word?"   I wonder if we'll ever really know, maybe it was just a poor choice, or maybe Mario thought there was more to be gained from selling to this other gentleman and saving Glenn from Judge Dredd than would be lost by reneging.

Glenn is rightfully pissed off. The dirty laundry is now aired. Mario is now pissed off. Life and pinball trade will go on.... as surely AS THE WORLD TURNS...

Can I add my .02?

I think putting SOLD on your add after agreeing to sell it to a person means just that.

After that all 'Cash in hand', 'my wife's friend, 2nd cousin wanted it' BS need not apply.  It shouldn't mater if it's across the street or in another Province.  The culture/language thing is weak in my mind.  I think everyone knows what your word or a handshake means in every ethnicity.

Not sure if it's different out east but out west is still has some meaning.


My motto

'Say what you do and do what you say'

I would NEVER buy anything if there was any chance of it being sold from under me.