The question for the day. Is it worth the time ,money,effort,to do a full restoration? Is it worth buying a mint or restored game? Would you do it yourself or get CRISS HUTCHINS or CHAD KELLER to restore one? Does it half to be an "A" list pin to qualify for a full rstoration?
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From what I have seen, guys go overboard with an HEP because they want to build the ultimate "keeper" for themselves.
In the end when it ends up for sale they are hard pressed to get their money back out. So it's only worth it if you really want an extraordinary copy of a particular game for yourself.
If you start with good stock and do a good shop job, you end up with a nice pin at a fraction of the cost.
From an economics standpoint, even an uber A list will be hard to recover from a full restoration if your looking at $.
If you have the money and want the best, sure go buy games for the Professionals. But if you are like most of us, my suggestion would be to buy games in decent shape and restore it to the standard you like. Restoring it, doing the work is half the fun if you enjoy the work. But realize that you rarely get back what you put into it, so be prepared to keep it for a while.
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myself. sending it to one of these guys is stupid. you're missing all the fun of what this is all about.
Very true. It's a hobby and part of that is fixing up pins for your own personal enjoyment.
Even when I had a CC pf in a game. It got dirty after a few plays to the point all that work really didn't matter. I got more out of keeping the pf clean than CC. CC when you send pf in, sure. If it's uneven or needs fixing then it is a great restoration technique.
Depends on the situation. If I could pickup a title I wanted in a fully restored state for a very reasonable price I would. But I would much rather buy a nice example of the same game and do all the work myself, as that is the best part of this hobby for me.
Does it half to be an "A" list pin to qualify for a full rstoration?
Absolutely not.
As for the CC'd PF route, the only time I'll get a PF CC'd is if there is artwork to be repaired. (which in my case so far has been T2, Shadow, ToM & Wh20) I wouldn't send out a PF otherwise, just clean and wax...
You lost me at PF wear..... Once you factor in the cost to touchup and CC the PF that pretty much negates any deal to be had. I'd rather have an RFM with no PF wear spots with a working monitor for $600-800 more.
- If you enjoy the process, do it yourself, and if there are parts you don't enjoy, send them out to the guys that "do" enjoy that part of it, and pay them.
-If you want a mint game, and aren't really interested in resto work, just buy a mint game, you'll be much happier
example: I enjoy artwork, so I didn't mind spending weeks doing KISS stencils...however, I don't enjoy shopping around for transformers and chips, so I'd rather just buy the damn things, know what I mean?
As for keepers, hmmm, I'm not sure there "are" any keepers, I mean, technically, it's not 100% kept until we're dead right? So I don't know, therefore I do what I enjoy, and I scrap or delegate the things I don't.
"pin hole size" I don't really know why you would do anything with something pin hole size. Let me get my magnifying glass out to examine the wear. Description sounds fishy.
You hit the nail right on the head. The seller's "pin hole" size wear spots could be yours or my pencil sized wear spots.... And we all know, once the wear starts it don't stop. (which means touch and CC if you plan on keeping it)
I'll chime in as well on this as I've done a few restores myself.
You rally have to decide if the work is worth it, I've done my TAF, TZ and FT. They all turned out really, really nice and I was happy with the result in the end but was the work worth it.... I don't know. I don't enjoy shopping a machine like everyone else seems to here. It takes time away from playing, makes a huge mess of the game room and is allot of man hours.
Here is an example, I want to restore my Wh20 as I love the game and it is never leaving my collection. But to restore it I would need to send both PF's out for CC and touch up ($700), Buy all new ramps ($600), buy new cabinet decals ($350), Buy new boulders ($400), New plastic set ($80) so I'm already looking at $2K in parts and playfield restore alone and that doesn't even factor in what I paid for the machine. For me as much as I love Wh20 I don't think I'll do it reason being, for the price of all those parts I could find a really nice Wh20, save myself all the work, and then just sell my old one to re-coup some of the costs. That to me makes more sense then spending the amount of time and effort to restore the game.
That being said, I have a Banzai Run on the way in that I plan to restore, but the good thing is I think I'll at least be able to get the money back out of the machine after I put the work in so it makes more sense to me to do that one.
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Once you factor in the cost to touchup and CC the PF that pretty much negates any deal to be had. I'd rather have an RFM with no PF wear spots with a working monitor for $600-800 more.
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