Quoted from Monkeybug

Ok, I am done with this fueding.

Moi aussi. Now Sparky can pay us our royalties for another episode and lets hope this doesn't go into syndication.

Doug, get your facts straight on FH before posting. Your entirely inaccurate and just perpetuating this for no reason and I really have no interest.

As for the MB "entitlement" issue. I distinctly remember you stating you made a error at the time because you had too many balls in the air and didn't follow a directive you were given with the sale. I think the issue stemmed entirely from that. Now lets let it lie.

What I would like to clarify with all this is the "PM sent" and contacting a seller before another member issue. Are we still honoring the sequence of PM's sent from MACCA member to member? I was, and maybe what you term "sense of entitlement" is my foolish notion that we had some sort of gentlemens agreement in place between the membership with that. If we aren't then I think it should be made clear, because I do stand in line and do put people in line with that system. That system in effect gives the sense that you are "entitled" to refuse before the next person that responded. If that isn't the case I would really like to know because I would not wait in line, nor give priority then and also would not anticipate anyone else to.

Again this is another subject I think needs to be addressed. I know many will sit on the sidelines and let some of us hash out these difficult issues, but I think for the longevity of the forum we need to clarify some of the ground rules to be able to work together harmoniously.

Quoted from necro_nemesis

Doug, get your facts straight on FH before posting. Your entirely inaccurate and just perpetuating this for no reason and I really have no interest.

So now you're calling me a liar?  Please refresh my memory as I seem to be missing some of your facts.  Both the person I bought YOUR FH from and I have discussed the sale of that game (just last night actually), and at no time were we under the impression we had to sell it back to you. (or that you even wanted it back)  

As for my side of the MB deal let me make this perfectly clear right here right now...  It was NEVER a stipulation of the original deal I made with the owner that I had to sell the game to anyone specific, most notably you.  After the deal was done it was mentioned that if I was going to sell MB that you would buy it, but by that point I already had a buyer.  It was after that point all hell broke lose with the 'entitlement', you made everyone uncomfortable about the whole situation (seems to be the common denominator here don't you think?), and the game was pulled back out of my bulk purchase and sold to you.

It has nothing to do with perpetuating anything, and everything to do with speaking up when I have something to say. (If I was really here to stir the pot I would have jumped into the foray a lot sooner)

I'm not completely clear on what's transpired here over the last couple days, but by the smell of it, I get the idea.

My thoughts FWIW:

1.  MAACA is great because it's generally a more mature version of RGP.  However, as with RGP, I feel MAACA should not be censored when the weather gets rough (as will happen from time to time).  Leaving posts as written, will make it easier to clear up conflict in the long run, and allow those not involved to form their own opinions on any given situation as well as the personalities involved.

2.  MAACA is great because I believe - for the most part - just about any of the regular posters would be willing to go out of their way to assist any other member with just about anything within reason.  I have had the opportunity to meet a few people here - I'm generally a good judge of character - and would trust them myself.

3.  The most important thing to remember:  Collecting/Restoring/Repairing/Reselling anything, especially pins and vids certainly is a preoccupation or passion to most.  This passion can be extremely competitive at times, regardless of your motivation in the hobby, and as with everything in life, there can only be one "winner" (don't get picky - you know what I mean).  When there are multiple parties involved, there are going to be more unhappy persons than happy ones - it's simple math.  How you conduct business is certainly a character mirror, and it's up to you how you want to appear to the world, but having said that, rarely do the meek inherit the pinballs when there's a deal to be had.

So, coming from a member who lurks more than posts, I summarize by saying conflict will happen.  It needs to play out on it's own.  Posts need to stand as entered and as intended or else we risk the monkey business that goes on with Aussie Arcade.  I'm not trying to stick my nose where it doesn't belong, or point any fingers whatsoever but at the end of the day I guarantee each of the parties involved has more important issues in their lives outside of whatever could possibly transpire here.  Most of those can't be deleted.

My .02 CAD

OK... so here is a breakdown:

Got PMed massively to lock the thread. So I locked it.

Got PMed to change the title due to it getting out of hand, but make it humorous. So I did.

Got PMed to unlock the thread as it is interpreted as censorship. So I unlocked it.

Got PMed to change the thread title as some found the humorous one offensive. So I renamed it as generically as possible.

This is the last time I intervene on this thread. In fact, I am so sick and tired of it all, I am even considering leaving altogether. 109 PMs in less than 3 days... good grief.

Come on guys... try to keep it civilized at least. No one wins by dishing out your dirty laundry in public. If you have an issue with someone, keep it private. Deal with the other person directly. I usually works out better that way anyways.

Well, that is ridiculous.  Take a break and leave this place for a few days, it's not worth getting stressed over brother and she'll still be here when you return.  Remember there's no way to please everyone.  It's nice to try and I know I feel good when I do try, but it's not doable. I know.

Things to remember about MAACA in no particular order

1) Its free
2) it is free
3) It really is free
4) Sparky makes no money from MAACA
5) In general you get what you put out
6) If you dish it out, expect to get it back
7) Why should Sparky get stressed about issues that are of no concern to him
In reality, MAACA can be shut down way faster than it was put up
9) If your going to report something or someone, state only the facts, not opinions
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Well Ian, I am sorry you have had so much stress over this all.

For me, its been something that has been private for a long time.  Something that finally became public.  It has been a long time coming and it finally boiled over.

And like I said I said to Necro (both here and in private), I am going to drop it.  But I don't understand why people would get so upset on an open forum to lock it?

man.  i really missed out on all this due to my computer crashing.  think others might need that to happen to take some time away and then come back.

People are people, no one is perfect.  I think part of the problem is also the beauty of the internet. Because of the nature of message boards, you're not in front of the dude you're "talking" to, so there's less of the built in "pause" that you have when you talk to someone.  That's not said as completely bad, it's cool that people can be a bit more honest then they are in RL, but sometimes, it's not fun to be at the end of the honesty you know?

At the end of the day, all this is just opinions, and not worth getting worked over.  Easy to say, not easy to do when you care a lot about something. The desire to "fix" what appears to be broken is too great to ignore (which I gather is why Sparky is Sparky, you know?).

MORE DRAMA


/grabs popcorn

Well, I have acted in awesome short amateur horror movies, available on youtube (I'll trade a few DVD versions of them for a pin too!)  

Quoted from Menace

So now you're calling me a liar?

No.

I know there was a lot going on with that large purchase you made and during that whole transaction there were a lot of negotiations taking place and there may have been some confusion. Unfortunately I got conflicting information and while trying to work through the issues the communications by one party ended making it impossible to reconcile the situation any further between all parties. If you wish I can resend you privately the PM from back at that time which I most clearly stated the deep concerns I had with the situation prior to proceeding and looking for avenues to rectify a situation that I have come to believe neither you or I created back at that time in Feb of 2007. I would prefer not to rehash the unpleasant experience but if you wish I will privately re-send you the PM regarding it to refresh your memory. Unfortunately I do not have a record of all correspondence regarding this subject as some of it was conducted on mIRC which I no longer have access to, but the PM clearly states my concerns.

If you wish to discuss this any further I would be willing to privately. If you wish to publicly I have issue with that now as I stated to Mbug I wanted to end this. I would just rather not re-live it any further. What happened is water under the bridge now.