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et bien il est temps pour moi de tirer ma reverance de ce forum...
merci pour les bons moments...mais la derniere transaction de pinball avec un membre maaca a fait deborder le vase puis on peut compter sur personne pour avoir de l aide dans ce cas tres precis!!!...
j ajoute quand meme que je ne mets pas tout le monde dans le meme sac, il y a des gens tres corrects sur maaca qui donnent du temps et de tres bons conseils
alors salut a tous et bon vent ...
et pour toi Glenn je t en souhaite de bien mauvaises choses...

Quoted from DavidC

et bien il est temps pour moi de tirer ma reverance de ce forum...
merci pour les bons moments...mais la derniere transaction de pinball avec un membre maaca a fait deborder le vase puis on peut compter sur personne pour avoir de l aide...
alors salut a tous et bon vent ...
et pour toi Glenn je t en souhaite de bien mauvaises choses...

Salut,

Faut pas mettre tout le monde dans le même plat!  Désolé, si les choses vont mal

Au plaisir,

je pense que ceux a qui le chapeau fait vont se reconnaitre...je quitte le forum mais pas le monde du pinball...a la prochaine Gilles

Come on David,toi tu m'as déja aidé,chais pas vraiment comment mais je te suis redevant et c'est sure un jour ça me fera plaisir de te rendre la pareil,mais surtout mets pas tout l'monde dans le meme panier,y'a un p'tit peu le facteur distance avec les gens du coin qui aide pas,facteur temps,tout le monde est assez débordé dans le temps
C'est ton choix David mais personnellement t'es un bon jack pour moi sur maaca et j'aime bin tes post,tu viens d'avoir une bad shotte et ça passe mal,j'te comprend,on est tous passé par la
Take care

Quoted from DavidC

on peut compter sur personne pour avoir de l aide...

Ce commentaire n'est pas tout-à-fait correct - plusieurs d'entre nous donnons notre
temps GRATOS pour aider beaucoup de membres sur MAACA quand c'est possible.
Et la plupart de nous travaillons de longues heures et ont une famille...
Soyez heureux de l'aide que vous recevez gratuitement !

On a bien essayer de t'aider, mais je pense que cela va prendre une visite en
personne d'un expert pour débugger le problème correctement.

Si jamais tu passes par Ottawa un jour, apportes-moi ta machine et il me fera
plaisir de te la réparer pour un prix très raisonnable.

Bonne chance, garde espoir, et soit positif et patient !

Sincèrement,
- Sylvain.

J'ai déjà fait affaire avec Sylvain.  Excellente qualité de travail et pour un prix plus que raisonnable.  Si jamais tu est vraiment désespéré c'est toujours une option.

dommage david est un bon gars, je l'ai rencontré qu'une seul fois et je n'ai que du bien a dire.

je n'est pas trop suivi qu'elle était le probleme de la medusa exactement, j'en ai manquer un bout, j'habite pas tellement loin de toi et ça m'aurais fait plaisir de t'aider du mieux de mes capacités sans rien demander en retour!

laisse toi pas abattre pour une pin... on as tous passer par le meme probleme, sinon y aurais plus personne dans ce hobby.

Hey David, ma deuxième machine était une Tempest, je n'avais presque pas d'expérience et ca m'as pris 1 ans pour la réparer mais aujourd'hui presque 10 ans plus tard elle fonctionne encore A1 mais qui sait, demain elle va peut-être flanché. Il ne faut pas avoir d'attente trop élevé envers ces antiquités. Une pin qui flanche après l'avoir reploguer c'est très courant ca viens de m'arriver avec BK et ca m'es arrivé bien d'autre fois. Cette Medusa a certainement besoin d'une job de restoration au niveau connecteurs, pins de boards, vérification de diodes de playfield, filage et soudures, power supply etc .... c'est rien de couteux mais il faut mettre le temps. Si tu lit bien l'anglais ca vaut vraiment beaucoup la peine de lire tout l'info a propos des bally sur le site de marvin, c'est une vrai mine d'or a porter de la main et gratuit. Bonne chance avec cette Medusa, ca en vaut la peine  

Je pensais que tu avais réussis à la faire réparer la Medusa? Tu as encore une problème?

bon bon ... c't'une joke Belge ca?!

Je ne prendrai pas ton commentaire de façon personel David, mais comprends bien que je ne veux pas me mêler d'un litige entre toi et un autre membre, même si c'est que pour traduire. La dernière fois qu'on m'a demandé d'aider j'ai été écorché pas à peu près, alors je préfère laisser les gens arranger leurs affaires entre eux-mêmes.

Je suggère que tu appelles Glenn. Vous êtes tous les deux des gens raisonables. J'en suis persuadé que ceci n'est qu'un malentendu...

Quoted from Sparky

Je ne prendrai pas ton commentaire de façon personel David, mais comprends bien que je ne veux pas me mêler d'un litige entre toi et un autre membre, même si c'est que pour traduire. La dernière fois qu'on m'a demandé d'aider j'ai été écorché pas à peu près, alors je préfère laisser les gens arranger leurs affaires entre eux-mêmes.

Je suggère que tu appelles Glenn. Vous êtes tous les deux des gens raisonables. J'en suis persuadé que ceci n'est qu'un malentendu...

ouai je peux comprendre...mais de toutes facons je me suis debrouillé et le mp est parti hier  

In an effort to defend myself, let me add that I have made the offer to buy back the machine, less the cost of delivering it.  I know that I do not really have to defend myself, as most members who know me also know that ripping people off is not my style.   What we have here is a transaction that was doomed from the start.  I had at least two others that were interested in the machine and would have gladly taken it without a working knocker.   I spent about 15 hours troubleshooting the problem at the request of the buyer.  With the help from other MAACA members, I replaced a couple of wiring hacks and while in my possession, the problem was resolved.  I played games, I heard the knocker when I won games, it was working fine.  Why would I drive it to Montreal if it wasn't ?

So to summarize:


-I am initially required to arrange for delivery of the machine, since as with the other 99% of my transactions, I must always do the driving.
-After making several other deals with people to pick up or deliver machines during that trip, the buyer lets me know that delivery is not needed since he will be coming to Toronto.  That put me in a little predicament.  Oh well, I'll go to Montreal anyway, I said to myself.  I have a couple of people depending on me.
-The member shows up a day early because of a family emeergency but I am away for the day.  We go back to the original plan and I tell another member that I don't have room for his machine to Montreal any longer.
-I discover what I consider to be a small issue with the machine ~ knocker doesn't work. I don't feel that it is significant enough a problem to offer a discount on the machine.  I had already performed several upgrades on the machine which I did not use to inflate the price, so I figured it was a trade-off.  Beside, I had already gone through much effort to arrange delivery only to have it cancelled then re-booked.
- I offer to cancel the deal.  No money had changed hands and I had other buyers lined up as previously mentioned.
- The buyer would prefer not to cancel.  Instead, at his request, I attempt to resolve the problem, even though I warned that fixing it might open up a can of worms.  I realize that I had also bought a machine without a knocker.  Did I care ?  Did I complain ?  No.  And there were other small issues with the machine when I bought it.  Did I complain ?  No, I just fixed them up.  That's what we do.
-After many hours I have every reason to believe the problem is resolved.  Just in the nick of time, as I have to leave for Montreal the next morning.
-I deliver the machine, and all is good...so I believe.
-After being without MAACA access for a few days, I return home to find that the buyer has used my own MAACA thread to announce to the community that the problem has not been resolved.  I guess because I had not responded to his PM ( I hadn't seen it while away ) he was angry.
-I send a PM right away offering assistance and asking for more info.
-A couple of days go by, then finally a response that is not mean, but is subtly accusing me of misrepresentation or misdealing
-I made an offer to buy back the machine
-I discover that the buyer is using me as a scapegoat for his departure from the MAACA community and now I don't really feel like trying to fix this situation anymore

And for those of you whose command of the french language is about the same as mine, the last line of the buyers post reads ...et pour toi Glenn je t en souhaite de bien mauvaises choses... which basically translates into "and Glenn, upon you I wish very bad things...".  What is up with that ?

I really don't want to get involved but sorry mon cher David but indeed Glenn is a VERY NICE GUY that really doesn't deserve that kind of comments.
if he was so nice to offer to buy it back and you refused, THEN ITS YOUR PROBLEM.  You don't have the right to give him crap like that.

I don't want to defend anyone nor take sides, but like I said previously, I firmly believe that this is just a big misunderstanding, but got enflammed due to emotion. finger-pointing never solves anything.

I know both you guys very well. David, you are a good guy and well-intentioned and passionate. I just believe that you posted a bit early and should have left the dust settle first. When frustrated, it's always best to write after cooling down a bit. And I know Glenn very well as well. I really doubt that he would have intentionally sold a machine with hidden faults. and in this case, he even posted asking for help prior to delivering the machine, which does depict good intentions.

Guys, I hate to see this happen. So I propose to help out a bit. If Glenn offered to buy it back, I will offer to pick it up at the next meeting and arrange to hold onto it until either someone else buys it or I bring it back MYSELF to Toronto on my next trip (I have a few things to bring down eventually to Kingston Pete and some guys in TO).

What do you say? Sound OK?

David is angry because the repairs is beyond is skill and he had to paid somebody else to do it. Already starting to pay a technician so the bill is going up for the machine and still have issues last time we talk.

Wish  I had time to look at the machine, maybe I could have help so the situation wouldn't have degenerate like now.


J'espère que la machine va être réparé bientôt et que tu vas pouvoir jouer tranquille chez vous sans tracas et oublier toute cette histoire rapidement
Prend exemple sur Gojira, reste zen, lui aussi a une mésaventure avec sa Time Warp et ça prit un peu de temps et $$$, pour qu'il puisse enfin profiter de sa machine, mais il est resté relativement cool.
Si tu trouves que les réparations commencent à être trop cher, arrête le tech et on va t'aider un moment donné, plus long mais beaucoup moins cher

MAACA members are 99.9% nice people dealing with a lot of 30 years old electronics pinballs. They are the worst to deal with for the reliability but MAACA members are the best to deal with to share this hobby and help each others. I know it is a misunderstanding and David '' tu a peser sul piton trop vite ''     

ahhhh, les conflits. Si chacun prendrais sa part de responsabilité, ceux-ci se règlerait assez rapidement.

Quoted from HAL-9OOO

MAACA members are 99.9% nice people...

Kiss my a**.   

Quoted from HAL-9OOO

MAACA members are 99.9% nice people dealing with a lot of 30 years old electronics pinballs. They are the worst to deal with for the reliability but MAACA members are the best to deal with to share this hobby and help each others. I know it is a misunderstanding and David '' tu a peser sul piton trop vite ''     

Really agree with you but sometimes it's hard to calm down before to say anything....

Glenn's the .1%. He posted a summary that took up my entire screen.

The games are old and in many cases suffer from planned obsolescence. For example my Gn'R has worked without fail for months and then all of a sudden would not feed a ball. After two hours of testing and investigation I found a molex pin no longer was conducting on the A/B board. Molex connectors were not designed to last forever. The point I am making here is you must be prepared to work on the games or have someone do it for you to keep them running. If having someone do it is a point of frustration, maybe that frustration is misdirected in this case.

Looking at Glenn's "summary" , he was very forthright and accommodating throughout the transaction process. According to his post he offered on numerous occasions for you to get out of the purchase. He further offered to take the entire game back for what you paid for it. If your desire to own this game is so high and the frustration your having with it is driving you do say Glenn is the .1%, I must say in light of all he has attempted to do to make a fair transaction your really not being fair outing him as a bad guy when everything else indicates otherwise.

Quoted from Sparky

Kiss my a**.   

Ok maybe 99.8%     I don't know lot of maaca members

Well.... I  would do bushiness from a guy who would offer a refund and drive up 6 hours to deliver a game anythime BUT not sure I would want to sell a game to a guy who would mess all over my face and make a stink if it was to break down the next day!
how old was that machine???    30 years......unless they have new boards and new connectors better get used to it!

Quoted from MAGNETO

Well.... I  would do bushiness from a guy who would offer a refund and drive up 6 hours to deliver a game anythime BUT not sure I would want to sell a game to a guy who would mess all over my face and make a stink if it was to break down the next day!
how old was that machine???    30 years......unless they have new boards and new connectors better get used to it!

blablabla...tu connais pas les details du deal ... ni ce qui s est passé...alors parles pas trop vite Luc

C'est pas les détails du deal qu'on voit David ... c'est les réactions

ok j aurais du dire merci?

je le dis "merci"

anyways pensez donc ce que vous voulez

ca donne rien votre idee est deja faite, j ai juste ca a faire moi de la marde sur un forum juste pour le fun....puis pour rien en plus car la machine est ok, je capote pour rien....je dois sans doutes vouloir de la pitié de vous tous...ostie que je fais dur!!!

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