I am missing something about the point of this thread?  There are complaints that a seller has not corrected a problem and that it has gone so far as legal threats?  So why not mention the seller?  I've always felt that this community is self-policing.  If someone is selling games and not living up to their end of the bargain, wouldn't you want to warn someone else before they wind up in the same spot?

Everyone here has their reputations.  People can pick and choose who they want to deal with and who they want to avoid.  In all my years here, I have only ever had one sour experience.  This is probably due to the fact that most people around here are trustworthy.  And if they are not, it is usually public knowledge.  MAACA (and CGCC), to me, is a community and not a classified web site.  We have craigslist, Kijiji and Mr. Pin for that.

Telling half of the story only leads to speculation and assumptions which is not good.  I think I have an idea of what machines and the sellers but I can't be certain.  Isn't this similar to how the Salem Witch Hunts progressed?

Also, did you inspect the machines before buying them?  What sort of restitution was the seller promising?

I'm not picking sides since I don't know the story.  Nor do I want to pick sides.  I just think that this thread is not really helpful for the MAACA community at large.

Quoted from Bish

It sounds like there's a tentative agreement on the table.  

Yes. I am trying to clarify it a bit.

I am in contact with both parties and I will try to work things out if I can.

I am SOOOOO glad to be out of the buying/selling game...reading this thread it seems that I "screwed" someone else too so all the more reason. I can honestly say that out of the many many machines I bought that likely at least 3 in 4 were not what they were made out to be. Just ask Mike. That of course was the risk I took in buying almost all of them sight unseen thru EBAY, etc.... DEFINITELY what upset me the most was when someone went way over the top talking about how great a machine was and then it turned out to be a big mess, which happened many times. Of course the worst is when you get nothing at all..I'm still chasing $2900 USD from All aspects in NJ and will have to go to court there next month.
For anyone who ever bought a machine from me and wasn't satisfied, I do apologize. I honestly never tried to shaft( or electocute! ). anyone. I can now proudly say that "My name is Jim..I am a Pinball machine Buying addict! I haven't bought a machine in over 5 months". Ironically outside of some issues when I first got it and a few minor ones since, the machine thats needed the least maintenance of the ones I've kept is the JVL standup I got from Gory!!! Hopefully this situation gets settled soon and both sides are happy.

Welcome back Shoeguy!!!

Eric

Quoted from shoeguy

I can now proudly say that "My name is Jim..I am a Pinball machine Buying addict! I haven't bought a machine in over 5 months". Ironically outside of some issues when I first got it and a few minor ones since, the machine thats needed the least maintenance of the ones I've kept is the JVL standup I got from Gory!!! Hopefully this situation gets settled soon and both sides are happy.

  i am glad you are back as well.  never wanted to see you go or any member go....   you and i dealt with the machine i got off you in a ok manner.....   it was resolved and you stood behind your word and took it back even.  well i drove it to the new seller for you.


  as for this seller.  he offered me replacement parts.  one speaker and grill.  due to the one of the machines had a really small one with only one screw holding it.  it was so small and no grill either that wires hang out the bottom.  i fixed it by taping things up alittle.  doesn't look good.  dome for a topper was to be sent to me.  due to the one i have is completly destroyed and was so for awhile.  it was badly glued together on some spots.  

  the seller made claims that one machine was a 10out of 10 pf.  well that one had loads of damage to the pf.  let alone broken, cracked plastics let alone a big chunk missing out of one.  outhole were chewed up.  ramps not even close to descirbed.....  other problems as well.   told that these machines were completly shopped out...  well wrong fuses were one problem that i can fix.  but how the hell can you shopped out a machine with no key for the header????  they sent me a key, but it wasn't right.  i asked and they state that there wasn't a key...  huh?  i have yet to open the machine header to see whats going on back there.....  don't want to drill the lock till all is settled.....
  so beside the parts they agreed to payback money.  they offered me a smaller amount at first.  i replied not enough....  we came a agreement for $750.  their email is below minus member name and machine names.....
   this is it:
"I can trader MACHINE against my MACHINE if you want, it's MEMBER I was sold
I'll send you $ 750 by the end of October."

   i have bought loads of machines site unseen....  if this was off ebay i would have filed against the seller and i would have left neg feedback....  just go ask bob in st. catherines.  this machine was off macca.  so one would think the person would be more of a stand up seller....  others were really interested in these machines.  i bought both....  no haggling or anything.   i paid their asking price outright....  no discounts....  drove a good distance for them but it was one of my meet in the middle pick ups.
  
   sparky has come to me to help sort this out.....   don't know what there is to sort out...   seller agreed to repay me with a timeframe.  i received nothing and he doesn't answer any emails or pm's at all.

   this happening will not stop me from collecting the way i do....  i just did another meet in the middle pick up with another member...  got me a freddy that rocks.  just as described and if it wasn't i sure the seller would be a great person and fix things...  

ALJO sold me bad cats.  told me what was working and what wasnt'.  turn out that there was no voice.  i tried to fix it.  steph even sent me chips for it (free even).  great guy that steph.  i couldn't do it.  aljo was a stand up seller and had me ship the boards out.  all at his expense.  machine is so much better with the voices.

   well thats about it.  i haven't read the new listing or anything.  been busy with halloween stuff and the shop.  plus truck is going in monday for repairs (unexpected).  the cash from the seller would help...  i wouldn't have to sell off a machine to pay for it all...

Well based on the list of pins, your description of the problems makes it easy to figure out it's the Whitewater you are having problems with, now all that's left is to figure out who the seller is.

le vendeur est moi, Gory, comme promis, ton chèque est dans la poste depuis vendredi matin, j'ai respecter ma parole, comme je la respect depuis le début.

Quoted from 603

le vendeur est moi, Gory, comme promis, ton chèque est dans la poste depuis vendredi matin, j'ai respecter ma parole, comme je la respect depuis le début.

For the French Impaired: (Courtesy of AltaVista's BabelFish)

The seller was me. Gory, as promised, your cheque was at the post office Friday morning.  My word, like I have to respect it respect since the beginning.

Guys, may I make a small request?

Please leave this thread alone. I don't want anyone to put fuel in the fire. I am acting as a mediator between both parties to help out. This is one of those cases where emotion got involved. I would hate to see it get real ugly.

I will do my best to fix this so that everyone can just go back to talking shop, playing pins and having fun.

Quoted from Tuborg

Hey Shoeguy,

Have you seen the containers for sale?   A nice way to make up for 5 months of down-time...      

No - welcome back - well I'm at least glad you are reading MAACA!!

Did you say CONTAINERS??????????? Oh Oh..gotta call my sponsor!!!!!!!!!!

Quoted from 603

Cette histoire me lève le coeur au plus haut point, c'est dégeulasse, par respect pour l'être humain, je vais me garder mes commentaires.
Les pins pour moi c'étais un hobby, j'ai jamais fait ça pour fourrer le monde, j'ai jamais refuser une photo à quelqu'un lors d'une vente demander a makak et twilightzone.  Je décroche, mais pins sont à vendre, j'ai des enfants et une femme à m'occuper je doit me garder de l'énergie pour eux. si vous verriez tout les pm et les imails que j'ai reçu dernierement vous comprenderiez.  J'ai un énorme respect pour 99% des membres ici mais d'autres devrais faire un examen de conscience.

Toute offres résonnables sera accepter mais il y a une seul condition, PICK UP ONLY.

J'ai la TZ à JD3, une fishtales, une guns n' roses avec topper et une WCS 94. ma AF est déjà parti.

scuse ti-jacques de te décevoir mais je suis pu capable.   Tu as eu l'occasion de voir les message et je suis sur qu'il va en avoir d'autres

sparky, je te demande d'effacer mon comte à la fin de la semaine le temps que je finisse les deals ( si il y en a qui me font encore confiance)

     Hey man...a word from someone who has gone thru similiar emotions a few times. DON'T sell your stuff!!!  You have what you have for a reason..stay away from the buying and selling for a while and just enjoy playing your machines. Making a rash decision will end up likely being something you'll regret IMO.

Hey Gerry,  Vraiment décu de la tournure des évenements.....  Comme JIM le dit, ne vent pas tes machines sur un coup de tête!!!  

Et Comme mon ami Gérard dit: '' Vive les blocs appartement$ ''