Quoted from McMean

I hear this crapola comparison all the time, and I never get it .... are you really comparing Steven Harper to Adolf Hitler?  A guy who cuts a few social service programs and leans right to a guy who killed 6 million?  C'mon!    (Flame suit on)  You can hate Harper all you want, but you've got to be kidding to make any comparison at all.  

I agree... My grandfather spoke to me about the war. Harper is disliked. Hitler was a monster. Not even a close comparison.

Quoted from wbradley

Way more that 6 million...in fact I think 10 million Russians died in the war.

Comparing almost anyone to Hitler , except maybe Pol Pot is pretty inappropriate.

I've read that Stalin's regime is responsible for 20 million civilian deaths.

As for 10 million Russians dying in WWII, what do you expect when you only give half your soldiers guns and shoot anyone that retreats? The Soviets are just as culpable there.

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The Soviets are just as culpable there.

Yes the actions of Hitler opened the door to others (Stalin) to commit atrocities of their own.

On the other hand my wife's grandparents retreated into Russia to escape the Nazis and although they ended up living as refugees in Kazhakstan,  and were basically slaves, none of them died at the hands of the Russians.

I read the Russian military dropped their troops from transports, most without parachutes into the snow. Some of the soviet soldiers survived however most died from trauma. People were expendable.  The enemy will eventually run out of ammo.

Nice tactic

A wonderful account of all this is very well depicted in the movie "Enemy at The Gates". There is a scene in which boats full of soldiers are crossing the river in St-Petersburg (Leningrad at the time) to where the Nazis were, and there is one officer aboard each boat. If a soldier did not want to get off the boat on the other side, the officer shot him.

Here is a stupid question... has there ever been a pinball machine with a swastika on it? I doubt it... Other than the "Meine Ehre heißt Treue" on Mata Hari and if stretching a bit, the SS-style lettering on Kiss, I don't think that there ever has been any serious mention anywhere.

I always thought it was a shame that the swastika got such a bad rap due to the Nazis. Before the Nazis made it a symbol of hate, it was an ancient symbol of peace. wearing one as jewelry was considered a peaceful and spiritual talisman.

Today someone sees one and they cringe.

Quoted from Sparky

Here is a stupid question... has there ever been a pinball machine with a swastika on it? I doubt it... Other than the "Meine Ehre heißt Treue" on Mata Hari and if stretching a bit, the SS-style lettering on Kiss, I don't think that there ever has been any serious mention anywhere.

I always thought it was a shame that the swastika got such a bad rap due to the Nazis. Before the Nazis made it a symbol of hate, it was an ancient symbol of peace. wearing one as jewelry was considered a peaceful and spiritual talisman.

Today someone sees one and they cringe.

I'm sure many have been spray painted on.

The chick Jesse James was boinking while he was with Sandra Bullock had at least one big swastika tatooed on her body.

Then again she was obviously a person of outstanding character.  

Quoted from Splitskull

the 2 swastika's are not the same. The german one is drawn the other way.

I agree... but many don't know the difference.

Quoted from Sparky

I agree... but many don't know the difference.

True enough ... when we lived in BC (Comox) an Egyptian guy had the reversed symbol on his gate ... town made him take them down

Hmmm... get off your high horses, I was likening political tactics of intimidation and propaganda, not human atrocities - nor did I make a direct comparison to A.H. except that the word Fuehrer means "leader".  Man you Anglos are sensitive.

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United States

Boy Scouts at the prewar (1937) national Scout jamboree in Washington, D.C., using swastikas as part of their Native American portrayalThe swastika symbol was popular[89] as a good luck or religious/spiritual symbol in the United States prior to its association with Nazi Germany, and was the divisional insignia of the 45th Infantry Division until the late 1930s. The symbol remains visible on numerous historic buildings, including sites that are listed on the National Register of Historic Places