I'm contemplating trading my World Cup Soccer 94 for a Bram Stoker's Dracula. What do you guys think? Fair trade? I think soccer is the better game, but I haven't gotten to play Dracula a whole bunch...

Theme wise I much prefer BSD.

Ya BSD has the soccer theme beat hands down. I'm just leary of the gameplay. I really love the layout of soccer and I'm a bit worried that we won't enjoy Dracula as much.

BSD is harder.  More of a challenge.  Darker theme (if you have small kids).  Its a real players game.  I find it plays more like an 80's game, than a DMD.  Art is ugly though.

WCS94 is great for the casual player.  Light theme, fun toys and not too deep.

I think both are good.  Just depends what you are looking for.

I could see BSD having more longevity if you are a serious player.

Such a hard choice, I consider myself a very good pinball player, so a challenging game is a good thing as I'm the one who will be playing it the most. Soccer is one of our fave games that I've had, so it's a damn hard decision....thanks for the advice guys, any other advice good or bad is welcome

BSD any day and twice on sunday

WCS any day and twice on sunday  

haha thanks guys, your not making it any easier on me hahahahaha

I thought it's NGG that you bought twice on sunday  

Ive owned both....

BSD lasted maybe 3weeks.
WCS is still here (had it for about 5mos.)

To quote Duane "BSD is a one trick pony"

Thanks Hippochrome, just the kind of info I'm looking for...

AFM is a one trick pony too.. but it's still fun  

Quoted from Hippochrome

Ive owned both....

BSD lasted maybe 3weeks.
WCS is still here (had it for about 5mos.)

To quote Duane "BSD is a one trick pony"

I'm quoting Hippo who is quoting me

WCS any day of the week. I've had two BSD. Both gone and forgotten. I had one WCS, sold it, regretted, and I now have another.

BSD is damn hard to sell as well except to collectors. I know some would say that shouldn't factor into it, but it is worth considering.

WCS is easier to sell to families and newbies should you ever tire of it. It has a family friendly theme, bright artwork, and fun game play -- yes fun, not dark. A game you will find yourself coming back to again and again.

Duane

Ok I was hoping someone would change my mind, but it looks like I will keep soccer haha. Majority rules, everyone says keep it so I probably should. Have patience and get a better trade...

Why trade?  Keep WCS and buy BSD, that way you have the best of both worlds!  

D

Quoted from Menace

Why trade?  Keep WCS and buy BSD, that way you have the best of both worlds!  

D

Good idea.

I would just buy more and never sell, but I don't have unlimited room right now. Otherwise I would never sell any of my pins haha

Ya gotta have one game with lightening flippers in a decent collection. They are definitely harder to use, even if they are just 1/8" shorter. That little bit makes you adjust your gameplay. I have Dr Who as well and eventually want to get a Fish Tales.

I am not a soccer fan, but do like horror films.  Mind you Bram Stoker's Dracula was more of a scary love story. The game is unusual in that it doesnt have a bunch of modes to complete like many other games of the similar era. The key to high scoring is stacking more than one (three different) multiball modes in order to build the jackpot.

My fishtales has the lightning flippers on it, I don't mind them at all. PLus they have freaking lightning on them, they look way cooler than normal flippers haha

Quoted from Hippochrome

Ive owned both....

BSD lasted maybe 3weeks.
WCS is still here (had it for about 5mos.)

To quote Duane "BSD is a one trick pony"

I currently own both.  I think I could see WCS94 leaving first though.  Just because BSD is more of a challenge, year after year.

Quoted from Monkeybug

I currently own both.  I think I could see WCS94 leaving first though.  Just because its more of a challenge, year after year.

These two games are going to have the greatest divide among collectors. Both are love/hate games. Some cann't stand the theme of WCS. If you have kids, I cann't understand how the theme could be an issue, but I've read that time and time again. BSD, you either love the one trick pony (stack multiball) or you don't. You either love the theme or you don't.

This is one time I would say you really need to play the game and decide for yourself. And I mean really play it. BSD seems cool the first time you play it, but, for some like me, it gets old.

Duane

Quoted from TwilightZone

BSD seems cool the first time you play it, but, for some like me, it gets old.

It ain't a one trick poney.

You said it : it's a player's game... obviously if you suck, you'll hate it !  

BSD will beat your a** most times.

Quoted from Mrhide

It ain't a one trick poney.

You said it : it's a player's game... obviously if you suck, you'll hate it !  

I play pinball because it's fun. BSD just isn't for me. Those that love it, point out it's a player's game and love to attack those that don't love it. I like ST:TNG and Shadow -- both players games. I hate BSD because it gets old fast. I enjoy it at someone's house, but don't need it in mine.

Duane

Quoted from tomdotcom

Such a hard choice, I consider myself a very good pinball player

On another note, I'd say you should try your hand at the Toronto Pinball Championship then!

http://www.t-p-c.ca

Which will be taking place at the Toronto Pinball and Gameroom show

http://www.torontogameroomshow.com/

But back on the subject at hand.

WCS is an exercise in tedium to play.  The game play is lackluster and just becomes the same old, same old at the end of the day.  The game is way to easy to play in most instances and really doesn't provide much in the way of challenge.  Start multiball, scroe goals, rinse repeat.  That's it, how people can say BSD is a one trick pony and WCS isn't is beyond me.  I'd honestly say there is MORE to do on BSD then there is WCS.  

While yes BSD can be summed up in the simple thing of just the 3 multiballs, it's the complexity involved in getting everything lined up to stack all 3 in one shot that adds that level of excitement to keep you playing.  Plus a sound package that is almost unmatched in it's eeriness.  Also personally what I think to be one of the coolest starts to a multiball, the mist multiball where a pinball is dragged slowly across the the PF.    

WCS is for the casual player, a game to play because they want to feel good about their ability to play well, no real challenge, no real strategy, just bang away on the flippers like a chimp.

BSD is a players game with real challenge and real strategy and I liken the feeling you get when you have Dracula yelling out "TTTHHHHHHHIIIIRRRRTTYYY MIIIILLION!!"  to the same feeling of satisfaction as "YOU SHALL NOT PASS!!!!"

BSD if you like being challenged. It is a bitcharoony for a while and then all of a sudden you get a crazy game where you make it go crazy. Keeps you coming for more.

It is a player's pin. WCS is more cutesy and relaxed to play.

I would love to play in some tourneys, but I'm on the west coast, the guys in the VRPA hold tournaments so I'll probably play in a couple of theirs eventually Great group of guys over here and some amazing players, some of the best in Canada, Eden Stamm is part of the group for example..

Sean O'Neil > Eden Stamm

Tom > all Canadian pinball players, you guys just don't know it yet haha...

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  Tom > all Canadian pinball players, you guys just don't know it yet haha...

If nobody is there to witness it, how do we know if a bear shits in the woods?

Show some high score pics (achieved with the glass on) at default settings and default/greater incline.

Even better, get a deal from Westjet on plane fare and sleep under a bridge just to prove how good you are in 2 weeks.

If I bought a BSD again....and I mean IF.....I would switch those lightning flippers or regular ones.

Lightning flippers are an abomination on pinball machines. They were just added to make a quick buck off the player...just like "buy in".....poop on these features!

As for WCS vs. BSD....the mist-multiball is an awesome trick, and Dracula voice is spooky, but really...that is all this game offers. Otherwise it's the same old, same old, empty PF...The game was designed by a sub-par designer, and wasn't even supposed to be a Dracula game in the first place...Those games that just stick a theme on a preexisting PF bug me!
Barry Oursler...meh. Your best games were designed by Python Anghelo.

WCS is a blast! two different ways to win (i.e. beat all the countries, or beat all the cities"which is pretty tough"), do all the little things like "find striker", shoot around the goalie, etc... The roll overs, the kick back, the magna-save, the soccer ball screwing up your shots, the moving target goalie, and you get to "plunge it yourself" 5ball multiball, which is a serious panic!

and the best part of WCS, No Keanu!

Quoted from wbradley

Show some high score pics (achieved with the glass on) at default settings and default/greater incline.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, High Scores on individual machines are meaningless.  The reason being there is no Standard of Quality.  Every pinball is so different even when they are the same title, it's impossible to get a reasonable baseline to determine a decent score.  Outlanes, settings, kickouts, flipper strength, sling shot sensitivity, pop bumper sensitivity, all of these things and more come into play on a machine.

the only true test of skill is at a tournament, where everyone is playing on the same game at the same time on the same settings in the same place.  That is where the men are separated from the boys.  

And Tom, they have these fancy new things called PLANES, they take you from one place to another so distance isn't an excuse

One of your local VRPA members Robert Gagno is making the trip to the show and as another example I'll be making the 16 hour drive to Minneapolis, Minnesota to participate in the IFPA World Pinball Championship.  So nut up or shutup   

Designer of BSD: Barry Oursler

Credits: Phoenix, Time Warp, Gorgar, LAser Ball, Scorpion, Jungle Lord, Solar Fire, Barracora, Cosmic Gunfight, Defender, Rat Race, Time Fantasy, Joust, Star Light, Space Shuttle, Comet, Grand Lizard, PIN BOT, Fire!, Space Station, Cyclone, Jokerz!, Police Force, Bad Cats, Harle Davidson WMS, Hurricaine, Doctor WHo, Bdam STokers Dracula, Popeye, Dirty Harry, Who Dunnit, Jack BOT, Junk Yard.

He personally dislikes Popeye and Bad Cats.

Are you telling me he didnt design any good machines?

Are you on crack?

Quoted from Hippochrome

If I bought a BSD again....and I mean IF.....I would switch those lightning flippers or regular ones.

Lightning flippers are an abomination on pinball machines. They were just added to make a quick buck off the player...just like "buy in".....poop on these features!

That right there seals you're fate a n00b.  The only time I've found WCS tough to play was at PAPA when they removed the outlane posts, turned off the kickback/magna save and put lightning flippers in.  That makes the game tough.  Otherwise it's a bore!

Play the multiball or work you way through the countries and do what at the end of those, oh right the exact same thing, shoot the goal.  What are you doing during the game, oh yea shooting the goal again, the striker awards are just a distraction and what do most of them involve again, SHOOTING THE GOAL.  

At least with BSD there is some variety in the strategy, trying to work towards one big payoff and even then, even if you achieve the big payoff you still have to do well to get a decent score, you still need to keep your balls in play.  Each of the multiballs is uniquely different.  Castle has the risk reward of trying to lock balls to multiplay your overall jackpot, coffin has you trying to make shots under the ramp in all the chaos to spell out Dracula and mist is just a free for all where everything is lit.  Yes you can argue that two of BSD's 3 modes are exactly the same, rats and bats, but again there is strategy involved around both of them.  Do you start rats and bats right away on the first ball and try and get that to carry over from ball to ball, or do you try and stack a couple of multiballs and then start them so you can multiply the scores achived by the number of multiballs running.  Lets also not forget one of the coolest video modes in pinball as well, and again another nice level of strategy involved in the video mode where letting the wolves get closer to you allows you to score greater points.  BSD has allot more going on for it int he casual player will ever understand because they can't be bothered to figure it out.  But it's a great players game with great strategy and if that is what you are looking for then BSD has it in spades.  

But what I take issue with is that people are saying that WCS is a great game and BSD is a one trick pony.  When that couldn't be further from the truth, WCS is way more of a limited game then BSD.  The only real option you have on WCS is light multiball, start multiball, play multiball, that's it.  Then the multiballs are all the same, shoot the goal.  Throw in some modes where all you do is shoot to goal some more and you end up with a samey and boring game that doesn't even hold a candle to BSD.  

Quoted from Hippochrome

...The game was designed by a sub-par designer, and wasn't even supposed to be a Dracula game in the first place...Those games that just stick a theme on a preexisting PF bug me!

, then you must hate a lot of machines as throughout history about 90% of machines are designed this way. First a playfield design is made and then art and toys are put in.

And to make it crappy for the designer, in many cases he had no say on the theme, and possibly didn't even know what it would be. I think Oursler got hurt with a lot of second-rate themes that made players look away.

Quoted from Hippochrome

The game was designed by a sub-par designer, and wasn't even supposed to be a Dracula game in the first place...Those games that just stick a theme on a preexisting PF bug me!

What was it supposed to be .. is there a story behind the change ?

Hahaha I'm all talk I'm a good player but not great.

WCS94 - 4.5BIL
ADDAMS - 600MIL
FishTales - 550MIL
Swords of Fury - 15MIL
Getaway - 1BIL

That'll give you an idea I guess of some of my high scores I've never played competitively though or really played to get an ultimate high score. Just play for fun. If I lived closer to VAN I'd play in their tourneys for sure and probably get alot better playing with some better competition

Quoted from SquidVicious

What was it supposed to be .. is there a story behind the change ?

listen for yourself:  download topcast Barry Oursler

Quoted from wbradley

Designer of BSD: Barry Oursler

Credits: Phoenix, Time Warp, Gorgar, LAser Ball, Scorpion, Jungle Lord, Solar Fire, Barracora, Cosmic Gunfight, Defender, Rat Race, Time Fantasy, Joust, Star Light, Space Shuttle, Comet, Grand Lizard, PIN BOT, Fire!, Space Station, Cyclone, Jokerz!, Police Force, Bad Cats, Harle Davidson WMS, Hurricaine, Doctor WHo, Bdam STokers Dracula, Popeye, Dirty Harry, Who Dunnit, Jack BOT, Junk Yard.

He personally dislikes Popeye and Bad Cats.

Are you telling me he didnt design any good machines?

Are you on crack?

I was going to drop it as I really have nothing further to add than WCS is fun, BSD is ok. And wow! What incredible strategy in BSD. Do you start Bats/Rats on the first ball or not? Big deal. It's a shallow game. End of story.

What I want to comment on his Hippos comment on Ousler. He didn't say he didn't design any good machines. He said he was a sub-par designer and he is. Compared to Lawlor and Ritchie, he is at best inconsistent and at worst produces some absolute crap. Sure he designed a few decent games and some classics, but he has produced a ton of sub-par or crap machines.

Let's look at them individually:

Phoenix - crap. This game is so bad, you will have a tough time selling it.
Time Warp - decent but not classic. The one at Allentown in great shape couldn't even sell for $350
Gorgar - fun game
LAser Ball - crap
Scorpion - crap
Jungle Lord - junk. Widely accepted as the worst of the Williams multi level
Solar Fire - classic. Widely regarded as the best of the Williams multi level
Barracora - great game
Cosmic Gunfight - never played, but low production which generally means it didn't test well.
Defender - never played, but low production which generally means it didn't test well.
Rat Race - not a pinball
Time Fantasy - never played, but low production which generally means it didn't test well.
Joust - neat concept. Not alot to it.
Star Light - never played, but low production which generally means it didn't test well.
Space Shuttle - classic
Comet - ok in it's time period
Grand Lizard - crap in my opinion. I know some love it on MACCA, but I think it's one of the worst Sys. 11s
PIN BOT - great game
Fire! - so-so
Space Station -- great game
Cyclone -- I like Cyclone. It's just fun. It's simple, though
Jokerz! - fun
Police Force - crap
Bad Cats - crap
Harle Davidson - never played
WMS, Hurricaine - crap
Doctor WHo - crap in my opinion
Bdam STokers Dracula - decent
Popeye - actually better than most give it credit. I'd call it sub-par to others produced in same period
Dirty Harry -- haven't played enough
Who Dunnit - crap
Jack BOT -- I really like the game, but it certainly doesn't get alot of love
Junk Yard - absolute crap.

Duane

Quoted from Sparky

And to make it crappy for the designer, in many cases he had no say on the theme, and possibly didn't even know what it would be. I think Oursler got hurt with a lot of second-rate themes that made players look away.

Not sure if that was true or not in the early days, but by Sys. 11, at Williams, the designer selected the theme and the team he wanted to work with -- depending on their availability.

Duane

Things got switched on them based on corporate decisions.

Dracula and Popeye are examples. Also Barracora was originally going to be Las Vegas. Thats why there wasnt room on the drop targets for all the letters in the title and one target has 2 R's. I think Dracula was going to be Alien but I may be wrong.

Quoted from TwilightZone

Not sure if that was true or not in the early days, but by Sys. 11, at Williams, the designer selected the theme and the team he wanted to work with -- depending on their availability.

Duane

From all the topcast interviews I've listened to, this is the case. Everything "at Williams" was about integrating theme with the PF design. Some games suffered pre-fab PF's like BSD, SWep.1...but most were a total package project.

I also admit that WCS is a "great game" because is fits my style of play. And I'm not awesome at Pinball, but I certainly don't suck #3 in OPL

My style/routine of play is "Get home from work, grab a beer, and knock the ball around for 45min". I've had "Deep" games (i.e. TZ being the deepest)....but they just bore me.
I'm similar in my video gaming:
...I like EA-NHL, FIFA, Street Fighter, Tetris type games...Sit down, push some buttons quickly, go do something else.

AND Mark Sprengler is the other "designer" of BSD....he's a freekin' artist, not a pinball designer

Well Duane with that exercise you did above, I'll ignore every comments you make about a game from now on ...


Didn't do well in test?! c'mon you know better then to say things like that.  It wasn't the tests, it was THE TIMES.

If you didn't play it, then DONT COMMENT ON IT!  geez!

Quoted from Mrhide

Well Duane with that exercise you did above, I'll ignore every comments you make about a game from now on ...

Didn't do well in test?! c'mon you know better then to say things like that.  It wasn't the tests, it was THE TIMES.

If you didn't play it, then DONT COMMENT ON IT!  geez!

Take the time to read my post before you sh*t on it. Where I didn't play the game, I didn't comment on it.

Duane

i would take bsd any day. and if someone want to sale one around $1300 i would buy it right now. wcs owned one its fun great game for chucky cheese

junkyard is a great game flyboy

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Quoted from TwilightZone

Take the time to read my post before you sh*t on it. Where I didn't play the game, I didn't comment on it.

Duane

Time Fantasy - never played, but low production which generally means it didn't test well.


That sure sounds like a negative comment to me?!

Quoted from Mrhide

Time Fantasy - never played, but low production which generally means it didn't test well.


That sure sounds like a negative comment to me?!

No it doesnt...

McFluffy Burger at McDonald's - Never ate it, but it didn't last long on the menu which generally means no one bought it.

Facts are facts....even if they are about imaginary burgers

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McFluffy Burger at McDonald's  

Did well in China  

Quoted from wbradley

Did well in China  

  I didn't even think of that when I made up McFluffy Burger.....good catch!

Quoted from Hippochrome

  I didn't even think of that when I made up McFluffy Burger.....good catch!

Oh boy...looked up McFluffy and the urban dictionary has an interesting entry....I won't post it. Not family friendly.

Duane

Quoted from TwilightZone

Oh boy...looked up McFluffy and the urban dictionary has an interesting entry....I won't post it. Not family friendly.

Duane

I wonder what else you can find in the urban dictionary???

D

Quoted from Menace

I wonder what else you can find in the urban dictionary???

D

!

Quoted from TwilightZone

Oh boy...looked up McFluffy and the urban dictionary has an interesting entry....I won't post it. Not family friendly.

Duane

Nutty McFluffy - a person with fluffy nuts......

Rappers are weirdo's

Quoted from Hippochrome

Rappers are weirdo's

Well at least we can agree on that

And I thought EVERYONE shaves their fruit basket.

The deal might go down this Friday! My dad just bought us 3 tickets to the Vancouver/Chicago game. So I may be able to make the trade way sooner than anticipated.

Quoted from wbradley

And I thought EVERYONE shaves their fruit basket.

Epilady ftw.

Quoted from wbradley

Things got switched on them based on corporate decisions.

Dracula and Popeye are examples. Also Barracora was originally going to be Las Vegas. Thats why there wasnt room on the drop targets for all the letters in the title and one target has 2 R's. I think Dracula was going to be Alien but I may be wrong.

Barracora was the third name for that game .. started as you noted as Las Vegas then became Jet Orbit (wtf and then the lady of the lake Barracora. I'm going to listen to the topcast later tonight to get the info on BSD

Who would have thought that a comparison between BSD and WCS94 would get so heated? Looks like B-list games are more contentious than A-list ones.

Quoted from jonny_eh

Who would have thought that a comparison between BSD and WCS94 would get so heated? Looks like B-list games are more contentious than A-list ones.

Its all the el-cheapo frugal-istas trying to get the best bang for the buck

p.s. BSD rates higher than WCS on the top 100 best bang for the buck list

Quoted from jonny_eh

Who would have thought that a comparison between BSD and WCS94 would get so heated? Looks like B-list games are more contentious than A-list ones.

Also helps the day go by much faster   

PS- BSD is #1 on Pinside's Best Bang for the Buck List!

Quoted from wbradley

PS- BSD is #1 on Pinside's Best Bang for the Buck List!

Nope....#4 (today)

#1 Grand Prix
#2 Mario Andretti
#3 Wipe Out
#4 BSD
#5 HSII
#6 LAH
#7 JM
#8 Shadow
#9 Shaq
#10 WCS

But this list is highly debatable as well...of these games I'd rate them:

#1 WCS
#2 JM
#3 Shadow
#4 HSII
#5 BSD
#6 LAH
#7 Wipe Out
#8 Shaq
#9 Grand Prix
#10 Mario

Quoted from Hippochrome

#1 Grand Prix
#2 Mario Andretti
#3 Wipe Out
#4 BSD
#5 HSII
#6 LAH
#7 JM
#8 Shadow
#9 Shaq
#10 WCS

Holy crap! That list is a joke. Any list that includes Shaq and Mario Andretti in the top 10 cannot be taken seriously. I mean, really....Mario Andretti is better value than Shadow or JM or BSD? I don't think so.

In response to Johnny_eh's comments. The most "heated" discussion was between Vengence, Mr Hide and myself. We're all friends and, I think, not taking the comments too seriously. Adam and I were PM'ing back and forth during the debate.

At the end of the day, Adam and our collections are very similar in fact. We disagree on a few key games and that always starts the sh*t flying. Mr Hide just likes to stir it up  

Duane

Quoted from TwilightZone

I think, not taking the comments too seriously.

Not taking this seriously??

You think I WASN'T taking this SERIOUSLY!!???

SERIOUSLY, YOU THINK I'M NOT SERIOUS!!

Wait, what am I taking Seriously again   

I don't think I've ever taken anything here seriously

I'm getting BSD this friday. Seriously  

Quoted from tomdotcom

I'm getting BSD this friday. Seriously  

What!? Trading WCS for BSD?

Good luck Hope you like it

Yep, the trade has been agreed upon. I'm going to get it Friday, good or bad I'm going to have a new pin, that's always a good thing

Quoted from Hippochrome

What!? Trading WCS for BSD?

Good luck Hope you like it

I sense some competitiveness in your tone I like that, I'm also very competitive. I'm never played in any tourneys yet though. I ain't flying across the country to play pinball, but I may drive to Vancouver to play in a couple VRPA tourneys and we'll see how I do. I'm sure I'd choke under the pressure at first as my nerves would be shot haha

Quoted from Vengeance

I've said it before and I'll say it again, High Scores on individual machines are meaningless.  The reason being there is no Standard of Quality.  Every pinball is so different even when they are the same title, it's impossible to get a reasonable baseline to determine a decent score.  Outlanes, settings, kickouts, flipper strength, sling shot sensitivity, pop bumper sensitivity, all of these things and more come into play on a machine.

the only true test of skill is at a tournament, where everyone is playing on the same game at the same time on the same settings in the same place.  That is where the men are separated from the boys.  

And Tom, they have these fancy new things called PLANES, they take you from one place to another so distance isn't an excuse

One of your local VRPA members Robert Gagno is making the trip to the show and as another example I'll be making the 16 hour drive to Minneapolis, Minnesota to participate in the IFPA World Pinball Championship.  So nut up or shutup   

Quoted from tomdotcom

Yep, the trade has been agreed upon. I'm going to get it Friday, good or bad I'm going to have a new pin, that's always a good thing

Hey, a new pin is a new pin...always a fun treat! Ive just been playing a bunch of BSD on pinmame and enjoyed it.

Are picking it up "around" Calgary? If so, it might be my old BSD...lol

It's in Vancouver, originally a guy named Dave had it, now Jody has it, now Tom has it

Quoted from tomdotcom

It's in Vancouver, originally a guy named Dave had it, now Jody has it, now Tom has it

Dean bought mine.....Dean/Dave.....pretty close, lol

Quoted from tomdotcom

I'm getting BSD this friday. Seriously  

MOUHAHAHAH!! IN YOUR FACE DUANE!!  

(Phil, heading down to take pics of that no fear translite )

I had a bsd, and I miss it.

I played wcs on location and after 4 games I had enough, this game is getting old prety fast it is too easy, I prefer genesis than wcs ( gameplay view only ).

Good choice you wont regret bsd, prepare yourself for serious a** kicking this game has no pity.

WCS is definitely that fast familiar family game that would turn most non-players on.  I personally like any game that cheers you on or where timed targets result in an increase or escalation in music pace.  I can see how eventually, WCS will be "beat" and might not attract one back every day.  It's a good entertaining game for sure.  But I'll bet it doesn't challenge the champions once they've mastered a few of the more essential shots.

BSD is in my basement, super nice playfield, unfaded cab, I am VERY happy. Gonna watch the Vancouver game then it's DRACULA time hehe...thx for the opinions everyone. I will have my own opinion very soon

BSD...GREAT GAME....MY PICK OVER WCS

bsd doesn't have a deep rule set at all. however, you may score 1 billion on one game, and 30 million the next. thats enough to keep me playing. i have customized mine with noflix LEDs from germany and have the gi all purple, with glow in the dark posts. it is by far the best theme to play around with the lighting and is a blast to play in the dark. soccer is a great game, but dracula is a spiteful drain whore who always has you coming back for more!

And everybody loves a drain whore.

I'm having a b**** of a time making the left ramp, time for a flipper rebuild I think....think I already have the parts, should be a quick fix

Fixed it, new coil stop and new sleeve and she hits that left ramp all day long! LOVE IT!! I also did the left flipper as well. Amazing what a difference it makes. Both coil stops were pretty hammered and of course the sleeves were dirty as hell

Here's a quick pic I took of the playfield when I got it home. Installed new balls, new flipper rubbers, changed some lights, rebuilt the flippers and it's good to good. The former owners GC score is going down! haha

Full size pic here:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4015/4591053572_11a3851bca_o.jpg

Needs a new RH sling plastic. I also have the proto plastics but they are ugly as hell, I will be selling them

It does have the lightning flippers installed, but the flash washed the picture out...

I have a new set of proto slings for BSD. If anyone has a NEW normal set, I'd be willing to do a straight across trade.

Tom

Yep the game is much nicer WITHOUT Keannu on the proto sling covers.  Lots of US supplier for the sling plastics. Try Little Shop of Games.

Quoted from wbradley

Things got switched on them based on corporate decisions.

Dracula and Popeye are examples. Also Barracora was originally going to be Las Vegas. Thats why there wasnt room on the drop targets for all the letters in the title and one target has 2 R's. I think Dracula was going to be Alien but I may be wrong.

Then why didn't they just spell Barracora with a single "r" instead of the double ???

Have you guys ever noticed that the repro slings are more washed out in color than normal. I got a set for my Dr wWo before and my Fshtales and the colors seem dull compared to the originals?? Or is it just me being paranoid or something??

Depends on the quality. Some are made from scans and others are  true to the originals.

I've emailed Little Shop of Games about it, and am awaiting a response...

Might be a little to soon to say, but so far I love BSD more than soccer. Glad I went with my gut and made the trade even though I think most people said to keep soccer....