Can someone remind me what is the proper slope for an EM pin and then for an early SS pin please. I know it can be changed based on preference but I can't remember what the factory setup was.

interesting, My T2 and Stargate had pitch of 8.5 degrees, so I lowered the T2 to...heck, I forget what it was but it plays better again! Dont seem to remember setting it up that steep. And the Stargate, I had it the set up basically the same slope as when I bought it, the other week I lowered the pitch by quite a few turns of the ol leg levelers and its still at 8.5! Wow, must have been well over 9 degrees then, no wonder it plays so fast and vicious! Genesis at 7.4, Wof at 7.4...funny enough, HS at 6.4, gonna raise it up slightly, havent checked the other pins yet.
Playing with my new digital level!

Thanks for sharing this!
I'm gonna get one today

When does the sale end?

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Bought the damn digital level...great, now I can be even MORE anal about the pitch of my games  

How can you be anal about the pitch when other than the standard 6 degrees, when pitch is often tuned by the play of the game (and need to shorten game times) and the state of the flipper strength?  

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When does the sale end?

Usually on for the week and the new flyer comes out on Friday.

anal about the pitch?...easy...first of all, every house I've lived in has crooked floors, front to back, side to side, whichever....
And, when you set up a pin, get it all levelled out, have some play, it WILL shift slightly, legs will spread, the level wiill change...have a half degree or more to the left or to the right and you tell me it doesnt affect your gameplay? Now the same gameplay with that half or whole degree fron front to back, same thing.

However, without checking the exact pitch of my T2, it played nice and sharp, was great for me, now that I find out its two whole degrees steeper than intended, I'll roll it back and see what that feels like...then I'll put it back because I know it'll play too easy

Anal about pitch?...my friend, its simply a matter of how well you really know your machines. I can tell if my HS isnt sitting right, whether its left or right, or too steep, or not enough, but now I can not only find that perfect pitch, I can go back and readjust it to that pitch when it goes off and theres no guessing....it doesnt quite feel right...I hate that feeling...it MUST be perfect, that way the ball rolls true and it hits those ramps and comes down to the flippers just right...its all about the feel man.
And I guess thats my point, certain games the pitch isnt determined by gameplay...thus all the dolts who go back legs all the way up and front all the way down disproving that arguement, and theres alot of machines set up that way. I love it when I see guys saying, oh yeah, back leg levelers all the way up, front all the way down...couldnt be more wrong. Absolutely not the way they were designed.I could have that Stargate set up two degrees higher or lower, either way it'll still play, just one will be harder and faster, and one will be for girls and small children etc...

But the true piece of mind is knowing your machine is set up perfectly for gameplay and it it shifts, you can go back and have it right at the exact specs you need for optimum performance, and thats what its all about for me and this level thing

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And I guess thats my point, certain games the pitch isnt determined by gameplay...thus all the dolts who go back legs all the way up and front all the way down disproving that arguement, and theres alot of machines set up that way. I love it when I see guys saying, oh yeah, back leg levelers all the way up, front all the way down...couldnt be more wrong. Absolutely not the way they were designed.

Sheesh, Stan, that's harsh.

I like my games cranked and I could really care less what the designers think. I like to my games to be fast. I'm not waiting 5 minutes for the ball on my '53 Quintette to meander its way down to the flippers. Cranked levelers on wooden legs and 'yellow dot' coils to give the 2" flippers enough mustard to shoot back up. The back legs on my Spirit are sitting on a piece of 2x4. The flipper power is kept very juicy. I plan on swapping the legs out for 31"-ers (but not leveled up any more than it is; just to be rid of the silly-looking wood). Ironically, the only game I haven't cranked is my High Speed, which was my first pin. I'll get it raised up too when I find time and I'll wager Steve Ritchie won't call me names.

All said, you're very welcome to come over and try my 'dolt-ish' line-up and complain how un-fun my games are.

... but bring your own beer; you hurt my feelings.

Okay I picked up one of these levels today and ...

how are people using these levels (where on the machine do you take your readings), are you using the audible alert and adjusting the machine until the alert goes off ....


Much Thanks


Squid

i usually level it with one other person, so one person is looking at the level, and someone is under the machine breaking their back adjusting the legs.

oh, I tried it. Early on, I cranked up my HS like a dolt to see how it would play. It was awful. I dont want to have to put hopped up flippers in it just to make the ramp. Just last night I was just going over Steve Ritchies comments on RPG ( I was looking for pitch info for certain ares) as to pitch etc and he's pretty adamant his machines, in order to play them as they were intended, should be set up with the standard Williams 6.5 degrees for games of that era. So I guess I was a little full of that steam because if thats the way they were intended, spoked by the man who designed them...and my fave pin designer too! Steve and I have had a few chats over the phone, hes a good guy, a mans man, if you will...that and he and I share stories of our music gigs. Its funny, I call him, all eager to talk pinball, and there he is, all giddy asking me questions about gigs I've done, who I've played with, my good name dropping stories hanging with the Stones etc...

Sorry bro, Dolts is a bit harsh! I rescind! Set up your machines any way you want, play them upside down for all I care...I suppose anyways. Remember, I DID specify how anal I get about it...lol...that and anything pinball, which was my initial point...more anal with the new level...see?

I'm not waiting 5 minutes for the ball on my '53 Quintette to meander its way down to the flippers.

I DO agree with that tho, I have my one EM cranked