Another opinion question regarding a set of machines.  Of course I know there was Star Wars, Star Wars Trilogy and Episode I Star Wars (pinball 2000).  Most people have said they would not want to own any of these machines.  Boring i suppose.  I'd like to hear what people here have to say.  Is there one you prefer over the others?  Are there any you would actually consider owning?  Why?  why not??

Look forward to hearing everyone "sound off"...

Buy an RFM with a SWE1 kit. That way you can have your SW pin and recover from your mistake by converting it back to RFM.

DE SW > WMS Episode1 > Sega Trilogy IMO.

Had SWE1 in my collection for a while, and it was the least played by my friends, even the kids didn't care for it. Much better games out there than those three, IMHO.

shadow

I would have to say
DE-williams-sega
sw-sw1-swt There not great titles but thats whats more fun to me.
only thing i really like about swt is the backglass

I have played DE and EP1, I love the DE game (yes, I own it).  EP1 is not a good game but the kit to switch to RFM is a good idea (I plan to own one).  If you are a Star Wars fan and want to own one of the 3, go for the DE.  

Quoted from newf112

I have played DE and EP1, I love the DE game (yes, I own it).  EP1 is not a good game but the kit to switch to RFM is a good idea (I plan to own one).  If you are a Star Wars fan and want to own one of the 3, go for the DE.  

I am a huge star wars fan (and Indiana Jones fan as everyone knows already).  How much should I expect to pay for a fully shopped Data East Star Wars?  I have a lead on one that would cost me $2295 + $100 ship + gst.  It is fully shopped and 100% technically sound.  good deal or no??

Quoted from sinpin

I am a huge star wars fan (and Indiana Jones fan as everyone knows already).  How much should I expect to pay for a fully shopped Data East Star Wars?  I have a lead on one that would cost me $2295 + $100 ship + gst.  It is fully shopped and 100% technically sound.  good deal or no??

I believe book value is in the $1700 range.  $2295 is way to much.

I might bring mine home tomorrow (The Data East one). It is not shopped yet, but plays well. If you want to try one to get a feel for it.

Dave

Quoted from pins only

I might bring mine home tomorrow (The Data East one). It is not shopped yet, but plays well. If you want to try one to get a feel for it.

Dave

That'd be great Dave.  Let me know when you have it and I'd love to come by and take it for a spin...

Quoted from newf112

I believe book value is in the $1700 range.  $2295 is way to much.

I wonder where you all get your "book" value information??  I have searched through classifieds on Mr Pinball and on the internet.  Seems that a DE Star Wars currently sells for anywhere from $1800 - $2650.  So how is $2295 including shipping Way Too Much??  Consider that shipping is usually $400, I am only really paying $1900 and the machine has been shopped and is in great condition.

I understand that most do not feel this is a "must have" game but for my $$ I feel the collectibility of Star Wars and the fact that it is somewhat full to play for a wide variety of people.  This whole "book value" thing just has me confused...

Bible for pinball price: Mr.Pinball price guide... each year a new price guide with average selling price... Star War DE is 1900$  in very good condition so paying more, the pin have to be mint.

Quoted from sinpin

I wonder where you all get your "book" value information??

one
http://www.xmission.com/~daina/pinlist_info.html

two

Larry Bieza's pinball price guide which I can't seem to find a single place selling it ?!

The prices quoted generally come from the current Mr Pinball price guide. Depending on how far it needs to be shipped, it may not be that bad of a deal. Still a little more than book, but in an acceptable range. Just my opinion.

here, found 'em. middle of :

http://www.crowriver.com/books/books5c.htm

I just wonder who actually has the "book" and who says I believe the book value is...

Two totally different things - right??

Anyways, I just messed around on the PINMAME of SW and I remember it now.  Yes, not really that exciting and I can see getting bored of it quickly.  Seems that I wish I had taken up this hobby 5 or more years ago.  Seems any machines that are fun to play and not easily boring everyone wants $3000+ for.  Others that are around $2000 look like they will not have a lot of staying power if you want to play them for long time.

Quoted from Mrhide

here, found 'em. middle of :

http://www.crowriver.com/books/books5c.htm

Yes, Larry Bieza have published them bi-yearly between 1995 and 2005...
But there was no release of his book in 2007 as far as I know.

These books are a nice complement to the yearly Mr.Pinball Price Guide.

Cheers,
- Sylvain.

...well it's been nice having you around ! bye !  

..seriously, you should have gotten that Shadow when I told you so...you would be playing now, looking for pin #2  

You can do price book check here if you need, normally somebody will help. I bought mine to save time

Quoted from Mrhide

...well it's been nice having you around ! bye !  

..seriously, you should have gotten that Shadow when I told you so...you would be playing now, looking for pin #2  

Is that sarcastic "nice having you around"?  I don't get it... Anyways, I know what you are saying about Shadow.  I played it over at Hardkor's house and the play is really good.  I just don't know how comfortable I am with a game that has a few errors on it.  That and the fact that the backglass is just really bad still seem to turn me away even though the game is good "bang for the buck".  I am still considering my final decision.  Most of all I am waiting for jvegas to send me pics of IJ and TSPP so I can decide if I am buying one or both or his...

If you read the book , it states it is a guide , the prices can be way off. It is definitely not a price bible.

Prices are usually way off due to extremes of condition. If it's a piece of junk than it will be priced accordingly. If it has gone through a full restoration by someone that actually restored it or it's just a very low play or HUO game, again it will be priced accordingly.

In the end, you get what you pay for. Good title in good condition is going to cost you good money unless your just lucky.

The price guide is accurate for "good" condition machines. You shouldn't walk up and see it needs something or look like it has seen better days. Not perfect but really nice. Near perfect is going to run you a real premium because those are the ones that collectors buy and hold.

Anyway... you will see that when peoples selling price guide is an option, just an idea..  when they buying you sell too much according to the book

The best  way to use the book, if you ready to put some repair on a pin, the price book is the max, if you want a perfect pin right now to play without problem and minimum maintenance, you will probably  paid over price book if not patient...   It's an average... and again nothing all truths even the bible   

Quoted from sinpin

  Seems any machines that are fun to play and not easily boring everyone wants $3000+ for.  Others that are around $2000 look like they will not have a lot of staying power if you want to play them for long time.

Now you're "getting it"..

A few games below that 3K mark are good players.  Shadow, STTNG are a few that come to mind.

Not all expensive games are good playing games if they're the only machine or part of a small collection..  TOTAN, TOM come to mind as games that get boring quick if it's all you have.

My 0.02$

Mike

Quoted from sinpin

I wonder where you all get your "book" value information??  I have searched through classifieds on Mr Pinball and on the internet.  Seems that a DE Star Wars currently sells for anywhere from $1800 - $2650.  So how is $2295 including shipping Way Too Much??  Consider that shipping is usually $400, I am only really paying $1900 and the machine has been shopped and is in great condition.

As others have mentioned "book" value comes mainly from the annual Mr. Pinball price guide.  It is just a guide and prices vary depending on time of year, location and condition of the machine.  You said the deal you were considering was $2295 + $100 shipping so that's $2395.  If you are interested I'd be more than happy to sell mine for $1900.  Shipping from Ottawa to Calgary would probably be in the $250 range so that's $2150 shipped and the machine is in great shape.  I just saved you $245

There are lots of good playing pins between $1600-$2200. Beyond $2200 you are starting to get into pins that collectors for one reason or anouther decided to collect. It doesn't mean the other ones are bad games unless your talking Star Wars but then again you keep pressing on with this title so don't be disappointed. I think you have been well advised.

Good luck with your Star Wars.

Now buy something will ya!

Yeah, there are NO fun games out there for less than $1600. They're all garbage.

Quoted from cooke

Yeah, there are NO fun games out there for less than $1600. They're all garbage.

Point taken. I was thinking more modern DE and WPC.

Yes there are many games under $1600 that are very nice as well, but I will say with the older stuff you may have to be more selective to find a winner. Trying to do more with less (computing power) was a challenge.

Quoted from newf112

If you are interested I'd be more than happy to sell mine for $1900.  Shipping from Ottawa to Calgary would probably be in the $250 range so that's $2150 shipped and the machine is in great shape.  I just saved you $245

Well if yours has been completely shopped with no damage to the playfield and all items working including the death star and R2D2's head rotating sound like a decent deal to me.  If the machine has not been recently shopped and is not in perfect condition I would prefer to pay more for a better machine.

In any case, I am waiting for jvegas to send me pics, descriptions of the two machines I am in line for with him.  I am AXIOUSLY awaiting... OK I am getting DAMN impatient and hope that this waiting will result in some really well detailed and close up pics/descriptions.