if you had the choice between the 2 ; IJ4 based on the few reviews available or MB
what would you choose ??? and why ?

I haven't played either but:

I pick MB because:
-I like Gomez games (NBA excluded)
-I like Monsters
-I like Williams/Bally games best

Not IJ4 because:
-I don't care for John Borg games (but I haven't played Guns N' Roses)
-I'm not impressed by Stern games...They "feel" like Data East quality

However, once I play both I'll know better...

I would start by owning a nice MB if the price was right. (if i was hesitating between both with cash in hands)

Then later on, once i played it enough, i would sell it and buy a HUO IJ4, they will be easier to find in good shape than a MB in my opinion. Same goes for all new Sterns, you can always find them HUO in a few years. WMS games are getting older everyday and harder to find in good shape.

I'm not planning to own either soon but i would like owning them eventually. I played MB a few times and i liked it, i also like what i saw from IJ4 previews videos. I still have LOTR on my "to-own" list before thou, so hopefully by then, IJ4's will be cheaper.

Just my modest opinion.

IJ4 any day ( and I've never played it .. that tells you a lot about MB ... )

I have to say IJ4 from the theme I am a big Indy Fan.
Also all the video look amazing.
I played Moster bash allot and it's not a game i can get into just not my game i guess.
Also Get the IJ4 i would love to comeover and play it

MB all the way

Seeing all the folks flock to it and wait in line to play it in Allentown really drove the point home.  It's a great fun game and let's face it, there's a reason that after 10 years it's still one of the most sought after games after Medieval Madness..

Mike

C'mon this is a silly question - IJ4 all the way!!  The latest in toys and technology with a much wider audience appeal than MB.  Be the first to own a new awesome game or the last to buy an old game.  hmmm - seems obvious to me...  Plus there really is no experience to compare to that new pinball smell.  

Monster Bash! Let's talk History! These Universal Monsters have been around for 70 Years!! Well, Mummy, Frankenstein and the Bride anyway. A little later for the Creature and the Wolfman, but they have been around for 50 years! Granted, they weren't in a Band back then, but... Indy, a mere Baby in comparison!

Seriously, IJ4 looks really good, but MB is good too, and in 1 to 5 years, you will still get your money back out of MB if you want to sell it. I am not sure you will be able to say that about IJ4. Is there any New Stern that is worth what they were new, let alone more?

Dave (Still pretty interested in IJ4, I might go play it tomorrow!)

Since IJ4 isn't out, how can we be expected to give a truely valid opinion? Sylvain makes a valid point that you could buy MB, sell it later and find a nice IJ4 down the road, but....keep in mind you won't be selling the MB locally. It's high priced and, in my opinion, over priced considering the fun factor. Not an easy game to sell locally so keep that in mind. I also think an IJ4 would be hard to sell locally so........

If I were you, I'd play both and decide which one you like.

Duane

Quoted from TwilightZone

.keep in mind you won't be selling the MB locally. It's high priced and, in my opinion, over priced considering the fun factor. Not an easy game to sell locally so keep that in mind.

Ask Mikeman ...

I believe that MB will always be worth more than IJ4. Case in point, MB is worth more than the Williams IJ which had the same basic hardware and mechanicals (yeah yeah... WPC VS WPC-95... blah blah blah... almost the same).

Now I am not bashing on Stern (I actually love what they are doing!) but Williams went overboard on everything they made (hence a small profit margin), and I doubt that the SAM system is all that much superior. Besides... how many Stern pins have you seen keep their total as-new value after so many years? If a Monster Bash sells for 4000$+, it is because there is a demand for it. Difficult to sell? Yes... but merely because it is 4000+$... not because it is MB. We have 700+ members on MAACA... I doubt that many will own an IJ4. And the ones that do are the same that have had another high-end pin before.

And as stated, you are comparing a well-established pin against one that few have seen and has yet to be released. Kind of useless...

My choice? If IJ4 was as good as IJ? I would rather save 1000$ and get the Williams. And between IJ4 and MB? Yeah... MB is a bit easy, but then again, I would lose interest just as fast on IJ4, so I would rather go for Monster Bash. A timeless theme, and everybody loves the classic monsters, as well as good rock music and good humor!!

I've heard that the new movie is bad, star wars prequel bad. If that's true, it might sully your appreciation for the theme. I really hope the movie doesn't ruin my memories and appreciation of Raiders.

On the other hand, the pinball game looks great! Buy it and invite me over. That ark toy looks wicked.

Quoted from jonny_eh

I've heard that the new movie is bad, star wars prequel bad. If that's true, it might sully your appreciation for the theme. I really hope the movie doesn't ruin my memories and appreciation of Raiders.

On the other hand, the pinball game looks great! Buy it and invite me over. That ark toy looks wicked.

Well, I pre-bought my movie tickets 2 weeks ago, so I guess I will know on the 26th if it sucks or not... As for SW-prequel bad, I didn't think they were all that bad... it's just that the hype was SOOOOO built up on them that when people saw that they weren't Oscar-material, people said they sucked.

...And BTW, look up what people said about SW in 1977. 99% of critics said that it was a horrible movie.

Quoted from Sparky

Well, I pre-bought my movie tickets 2 weeks ago, so I guess I will know on the 26th if it sucks or not... As for SW-prequel bad, I didn't think they were all that bad... it's just that the hype was SOOOOO built up on them that when people saw that they weren't Oscar-material, people said they sucked.

...And BTW, look up what people said about SW in 1977. 99% of critics said that it was a horrible movie.

I don't know about that. The prequels are worse every time I see them. The acting and dialogue is cringe inducing. The plot is overly complex. The special effects are over used. The sets and locales aren't interesting. The characters are stale, wooden, and universally unlikable. The only part from the prequels I still enjoy are the pod race.

If the Star Wars name wasn't attached to these movies, they wouldn't have made a dime at the box office.

As for the reviews in 77: Ebert, Washington Post, NYTimes, They seem pretty positive to me. I'm sure the reviews didn't call it a classic at the time, but what classic gets labeled that when it comes out?

Now, I'm gonna still see the movie (IJ4) because I trust Spielberg. It's VERY rare that he makes a stinker. And even his stinkers are pretty good (Temple of Doom, Lost World, AI).

Quoted from jonny_eh

I don't know about that. The prequels are worse every time I see them. The acting and dialogue is cringe inducing. The plot is overly complex. The special effects are over used. The sets and locales aren't interesting. The characters are stale, wooden, and universally unlikable. The only part from the prequels I still enjoy are the pod race.

I just think they made a horrible choice for Anakin Skywalker. I never liked Christensen. As for the kid in EP1, he just seemed irrelevant.

Darth Maul never really was too convincing either. Darth Vader just had to stand there and breathe to make you squirm in your seat. Darth Maul just looked like a clown on a bad day.

I hate clowns.

First: Star Wars (original) Movies are classic but with the exception of the acting by Harrison Ford, C3PO, R2 and Darth Vader it was bad as well. The effects for it's day (even by todays standards) were fantastic.

Second: The new movies had bad acting too but it was not much worse than the originals. The really bad romantic scenes should have made the cutting room floor and jar-jar was a little too much but the story lines were within expectations. Lets face it, you don't go to see star wars if you want acting.

Third: I played MB at Mikes and I really liked it - classic. Perhaps it is a little easy to play (not to complete), kind of like my SS - but I love them both for their "fun" factor. SS keeps me coming back so far. I only managed last night to get on the Highscore board - Jim must of spent a lot of time "teasing" El-Vira in his showroom to get all those high scores.  

Fourth: From what I have seen of the new Stern pins - I like em but I do not think they measure up with the 90s Williams. Part of the reason for that is the themes do not have staying power (exception IJ4). Who will remember the Simpsons 10 years after it's over? The newer generations have so much variety (shows, media, technology) that the staying power of almost anything just does not exist. The rate of change contributes to this. The old stuff "Hollywood Classic Monsters" will always be classics because of the limited variety of the times.

Oh yeah, if only Stern could get those flippers to make less noise. (My only complaint with the Stern machines themselves).

I am looking forward to playing an IJ4 at the earliest opportunity!

My 2 cents.

so i guess the secret is to try them both  
but interesting to see why and why not  

thanks

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Who will remember the Simpsons 10 years after it's over

The Simpsons are already classic. I haven't watched the show in years, but the pinball theme still resonates. It's similar to TZ. It too was a TV show, that could've been forgotten, but it's a classic, so people will remember it for a LONG time.

Quoted from tom_454

Who will remember the Simpsons 10 years after it's over?

Simpson's is in what, it's 18th or 19th season? This is not a show that will be forgotten for a Loooooooooooong time. Pin is $1000 to $2000 less than retail a couple of years ago, Mind you, the US$$ hit the skids since then, but still.

Dave

Quoted from Sparky

I just think they made a horrible choice for Anakin Skywalker. I never liked Christensen. As for the kid in EP1, he just seemed irrelevant.

Darth Maul never really was too convincing either. Darth Vader just had to stand there and breathe to make you squirm in your seat. Darth Maul just looked like a clown on a bad day.

I hate clowns.

The Star Wars prequels are the worst movies ever made!
Ol' Georgie Lucas was loosing my respect each year he kept re-releasing his originals, and adding stupid, terrible looking, nonsensical, computer characters....but I eventually forgave him.
Then those disasters of movies came out...led by Jar Jar Binks...and they gradually got worse, and worse.
And after all that, I forgot about Star Wars and got into pinball collecting....then I learned the "history" of pinball2000 and well, I blame George Lucas for the downfall of Pinball and Williams....he ruined my hobby before I even got into it.
So, I'm not sure if he had anything to do with IJ4 movie...but if he did...that movie WILL blow, and that pinball machine will be worth as much as a Johnny Mnemonic after a few years.

Ahhhhhhhh rant over
Thanks.....

Quoted from jonny_eh

It's similar to TZ. It too was a TV show, that could've been forgotten, but it's a classic, so people will remember it for a LONG time.

TZ was a TV show??  Hmmm - I thought it was just cool pinball machine.  In any case, even TZ will be forgotten in 20 years when everyone who ever watched it is long gone.  DId anyone ever really watch it?  Wasn't that back when TV was black and white and people listened to movies on the radio>>??           

Look we get it, we know your an IJ fanboy, but to trying and put IJ into the same league as things like the TZ the show and The Simpsons is just silly.  I don't know much about TZ, but I do know that it was quite ground breaking for it's time, the theme song along is still something that gets associated with all types of diffrent things, so if I were to think what would be remebered in the next 20 years, IJ or TZ, TZ would win.

Then trying to say Simpons will be forgotten, your fanboyism is so bad that you've forgotten that the Simpsons has been running for 19 YEARS!  IJ's 3 movies are a drop in the bucket in comparission to the sheer existance and vastness that is the simpsons.  

Take off your IJ colored glasses, get out from under your IJ covered blanket, change your harrison ford undies and realize that IJ while a decent movie is not the be all and end of of EVERYTHING.  

Quoted from sinpin

TZ was a TV show??  Hmmm - I thought it was just cool pinball machine.  In any case, even TZ will be forgotten in 20 years when everyone who ever watched it is long gone.  DId anyone ever really watch it?  Wasn't that back when TV was black and white and people listened to movies on the radio>>??           

IJ4 looks pretty sweet if your collecting for value i would say monster bash. If you like indy get indy...

I persoanlly played monster bash i didnt like.. maybe it was the condition it was in? or it felt like a really slow game. Shoot the ball wait for it to come back.. also the play field was kinda bunk... yeah it has alot of toys. But it felt like everything was tossed on make the middle so clumped.

IJ4 havent play it i posted a vid of it in the pins section. it looks promising the video looks awsome, the sounds is pretty clear.... But idunno about the play field. looks like LOTR.. fast paced game, but not enough ball mechincs? (im not talking fancey arks or magnets..like basic ball flow) Meh .. i dunno i have played it so i can't really say.

IJ4 is a stern machine.. and yes stern is the only future for pinball.. ive played a couple stern machines don't like them because of the flippers and the parts they use. BUT i really do like spiderman thats the only one i can say i enjoyed (and may buy in the future).

As for older IJ and TZ i own both and yes TZ is the better game of the 2. I persoanlly dont know a whole lot about TZ but what i do know is the game is GOLD.. TZ hands down.  TZ is the perfect formula of ball flow and toys.

Having finally played IJ4 and having played MB much more for me it would be MB way out in front ... IJ4 was all right .. MB much more so but not the most challenging game.

ok, somebody brought TZ into this so I have to comment.  

After a month without playing my TZ (since the purchase of the STTNG and SS) I finally decided to play it a little last night. WOW, it blew me away again. It really does strike the right balance! The ball sometimes floats slowly across the playfield and the next it is lightning speed (don't blink).

I honestly think the only complaint anyone could have with TZ is if you were the type that likes COMPLETE non-stop action (no sink-holes - just raw speed!)

As for IJ4 vs MB. While I have not played IJ4, based upon the videos and my playing on MB, I think it would be MB hands down as well. Of course you never can tell for sure until you have played it. Look what happened when Jim let me play his SS - I just fell in love with the game.